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To: bentway who wrote (167270)	7/26/2005 2:37:51 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Fair enough worry and i cant be sure you wont be right, only that its worth trying to prevent this outcome thru a timetable rather than just bug out.

To: bentway who wrote (167270)	7/26/2005 3:00:05 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Microsoft is opening up shop...in Vietnam. Was there a domino effect? Did Communism take over the world? Well, other than Walmart of course. There are at least two reasonable and debatable arguments for leaving Iraq now: 1. We ARE one of the root causes of chaos in Iraq so, by leaving, we remove some of the chaos and strife. By staying, we exacerbate the situation and prevent the natural civil strife (ok, war) necessary to sort out Iraq's problems as quickly and as bloodlessly as possible. 2. We are hearing the exact same arguments made during Vietnam. If we had left years earlier, would the end result have been any worse? Any different? How can lives and limbs and treasure be justified when the end result is no different years hence. ======== If we simply draw down forces, aren't we leaving our remaining forces in even greater danger? The man on the ground wants more help, not less help for himself doesn't he? We have no end game in this. We don't want the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq to be in charge but if that's what the majority of people want, isn't that the Bush version of Democracy 101? If we can't rely on Iraq's oil reserves (arguably the largest known in the world if the Sauds are lying about their supplies) then it forces us to innovate and conserve when it comes to energy. WHAT, other than biting into Exxon's profits, is wrong with innovation and conservation? If $300 billion were spent on investing in stateside capitalistic ventures into alternative energy, efficient energy usage, conservation, what the heck is wrong with that? What does Bush and the RNC have against innovation, capitalism and entrepreneurship?