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To: bentway who wrote (167405)	7/27/2005 12:10:50 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nonsence it is simply the courageous stand to take when your cause is just. Throw back arguments, whether they are the patriotism of WWII or the social activism of the 60s are cop outs... feel free though.

To: bentway who wrote (167405)	7/27/2005 12:16:07 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Stay the course was also in the darkest days of WW2 back in 1942. It is not suitable for iraq however as sometimes policies need to change particularly in battles which is what iraq has become. Mike See bolded paragraph below. It looks like the timetable for departure called by other names is in place. Republicans will skate away from iraq for 2006 elections here to prevent severe defeat. A less than perfect outcome is now accpetable in iraq it seems and it may involve three states. Better than before at least. And the US will continue to support the progressive forces over the terrorists. Will the terrorists continue to kill iraqis after US leaves? If they do they will be rounded up and killed by local tribal chiefs. General: U.S. could start Iraq pullout in spring Depends on political, security progress, commander says Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Posted: 11:08 a.m. EDT (15:08 GMT) Gen. George Casey, who spoke to reporters during Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's unannounced trip to Iraq, said some conditions would have to be met for the withdrawal to take place. "I do believe that if the political process continues to go positively and if the development of the security forces continues to go as it is going, I do believe we'll still be able to take some very substantial reductions after these elections in the spring and summer of next year." Elections in Iraq are scheduled for the end of this year. Casey said he could not say how many of the approximately 135,000 American troops would be withdrawn. At the same time, transitional Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who met with Rumsfeld, said it was time for a coordinated plan to transition from the American to the Iraqi military and urged that it be done in a speedy fashion. Casey said there was no agreement on how many insurgents are battling coalition forces. "The level of attacks they've been able to generate has not increased substantially here over what we've seen in the last year," Casey said. "This insurgency is not progressing." Referring to the large-scale attacks mounted in recent weeks and months, Casey said "what you are seeing is a change in tactics to more violent, more visible attacks against civilians and that is a no-win strategy for the insurgency." Last week, national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie told CNN that he'd be "very surprised if the coalition forces will not start pulling out by middle of next year." Rubaie said he believed the withdrawing coalition forces would be "in sizable numbers." Rumsfeld said Iraq needs to be more aggressive in its stance against interference from neighbors such as Syria and Iran, and the borders with those countries should be closed to stem the flow of insurgents into Iraq. "They need to be aggressively communicating with their neighbors to see that foreign terrorists stop coming across those borders and that their neighbors do not harbor insurgents and finance insurgents in a way that is destructive of what the Iraqi people are trying to accomplish," Rumsfeld said. Rumsfeld's comments echo those of Iraq's defense minister who criticized Syria on Tuesday for ignoring Iraqi demands "to stop the infiltration of terrorists." Rumsfeld also encouraged the Iraqi constitution committee to meet its August 15 deadline to come up with a draft of the country's constitution. If the draft is approved by the transitional National Assembly, it will be put before voters in an October 15 referendum. Rumsfeld's visit coincides with polls that cite declining support for the U.S.-led war in Iraq and a lack of confidence in the United States' ability to help establish a permanent Iraqi government and train Iraqi security forces to defend the country without coalition support. According to a recent CNN poll, 60 percent of Americans say they don't believe the United States will be able to establish a permanent government in Iraq. In addition, a Pentagon report issued last week said 171,000 Iraqi security forces are now trained and equipped but that only 2,500 are capable of mounting counter-insurgency operations on their own without Coalition Forces help.