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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (107105)	8/2/2005 11:51:27 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Most of the violence since the early Zionists landed in what is now Israel was perpetrated by the Zionists on the Palestinians. You are taking one incident and blowing it up. The material you directed me to talks about a period of time in the same year, 1929, and also notes that there were Jews attacking Arabs. I could take each massacre of the Palestinians in the camps and talk about them in post after post, and where would we be? I could find very long descriptions of what happened at the King David Hotel, which is notable because it was the first terrorist bombing, planned and executed by Zionist terrorists. The Palestinians learned everything they know about terror from the Zionists. But what would be the point? We obviously support different factions in this struggle. I hear you defending Zionist bloodshed, and that is certainly no more admirable a stance than supporting the Palestinians. In fact, most citizens of the world do support the Palestinians because their news is not so controlled and their governments do not feed them only one side of the story, and reiterate ad nauseum that Israel is our special friend. All violence, all massacres are sad and disturbing. However, the Arabs were living in Palestine and were invaded by the Zionists. They did not go roaming around trying to find them. They were not particularly political. I'm basically nonviolent. There have been all sorts of injustices foisted on different groups of people from the beginning of time. I mentioned Northern Ireland because that is still ongoing. Wales and Scotland both have semi-independent governments, because there are fairly strong secessionist groups in both countries, and the British government wants to placate them. There is not the discrimination in jobs or housing there that one finds in Northern Ireland, where Catholics still are discriminated against actively. The police force in Northern Ireland only supports the Protestants (although there is reform going on there). I can't really explain the historic prejudice against the Jews. Eminent historians and theologians have different opinions of why all that happened. I do know that driving the Arabs out of Palestine violently and establishing a state totally surrounded by enemies that has to be defended with nuclear weapons, where the citizenry is subject to terrorist attacks and the military initiates terror attacks on Palestinian civilians, has not really done one good thing for the Jews, the Middle East, America or the rest of the world. It certainly doesn't solve the problem of why the Jews were discriminated against, and it seems like it makes some people dislike them, or attempt to justify their ancient prejudices by the current behavior of the Zionists. I don't see that as positive. We can't live in the 1940's anymore, or simply react to what happened then. The answers are more nuanced, more complex. Even if there is still prejudice against the Jews in much of the world, there is enough room for them to live safely and at peace in the western democracies on three continents, and what is so wrong with that? I have Jewish friends who left the USSR when it broke up; they were all given the choice of moving to Israel or the United States. We are definitely offering new homes to Jews right now, so that they don't have to fear repression.