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To: Grainne who wrote (107342)8/8/2005 10:33:16 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
I think I look at this a little differently from you. I expect inhumanity in war. War is after all killing, and it is per se inhumane. We try to "sanitize" it by making up rules, to paint a veneer of "civilized" warfare over it, but when it comes right down to it, this activity is the same activity Attila engaged in; we've just tried to give it a more pleasing face. When you start a war you must accept that mistakes will be made, and that atrocities will occur- and I don't think you can always be certain of the scale of the atrocities before hand. People get carried away in war, and they lose the ability to analyze things the way humans, who are not at war, analyze them. When you loose the dogs of war you should be very sure your cause is important enough that whatever horrors you unleash in the war are worth it. I think there must be a very very VERY high standard for starting a war, because we cannot expect a war to be hygienic.



To: Grainne who wrote (107342)8/9/2005 6:48:40 PM
From: arno  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
What I am arguing is that there is no particular country that does not commit atrocities during war.

There's no need to argue...i don't think anybody thinks there aren't atrocities.

It's the degree and scale that are in question.

consider the more than three hundred

What about the 300,000 Chinese in the Rape of Nanking?

That is not any kind of justification for our nuclear bombs killing a quarter million of their civilians.

I never said it was, or if you think I did...could you please point it out?

The justification came from ending the war early and saving lives...both ours and theirs.

whether they really saved many American lives,

Are you serious??

Do you not agree that we would have invaded the Japanese homeland to win the war?

or ended the war any sooner than it would have:

Well...you can not get a much shorter time period than 2 days...from the bombs to surrender...can you?