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To: Lane3 who wrote (132140)	8/13/2005 3:30:43 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793817

I believe you will find more than 2700 killed in 9-11, karen...not to say of the numbers injured on that day. In NYC alone, per the links below were 2819 which doesn't count PA nor the Pentagon numbers killed....These numbers don't reflect either the thousands of deaths and injuries caused by terrorists to Americans and other people who were in our embassies, military installations, USS Cole, ships, WTC I, etc etc etc.... And IF the terrorists get their hands on bio weapons, I think you will see that a HUGE amount of damage to lives and environment could be done worldwide....More than 2700 for sure! That one was killed is enough. But to validate every life that was lost that day, numbers should count and stand for something, not just the number. Plus the Pentagon killed, and those in PA.... Sixty years to the day after groundbreaking on the Pentagon, the September 11, 2001 attacks occurred. American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the building, causing part of it to collapse and killing 125 people in addition to the 64 aboard the plane. For pictures and graphics showing the damage in the impact see this briefing. en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org newyorkmetro.com 9/11 by the Numbers Death, destruction, charity, salvation, war, money, real estate, spouses, babies, and other September 11 statistics. The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out. Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819 Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343 Number of NYPD officers: 23 Number of Port Authority police officers: 37 Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60 Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402 Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614 Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658 Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22 Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115 Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1 Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39 Bodies found "intact": 289 Body parts found: 19,858 Number of families who got no remains: 1,717 Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000 Total units of donated blood actually used: 258 Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609 Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051 Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20 FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274 FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661 Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300 Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200 Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98 Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124 Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99 Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6 Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81 Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26 Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714 Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25 Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9 Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40 Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50 Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150 Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26 Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000 Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110 Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000

To: Lane3 who wrote (132140)	8/13/2005 8:14:52 PM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793817

Holt said: It's unlikely that the terrorists could do anything to top 2700. That makes the Soviets the greater threat First of all, thank you for the word definition instruction on "threat" and "history". Secondly, I suspect that your 2700 number is a tad low. Third, did you forget or choose to overlook the 1993 WTC bombing where 6 died and over 1000 were injured? How about the attempted Millennium Eve bombing of LAX? That was the one the French figured out for us since the "gorelick wall" prevented a timely exchange of info. Of course, the clinton's happily took the credit for stopping this disaster. All these events were conducted members of AQ. Finally, I'm not taking issue with cobalt's concern about h. clinton as president. I probably share her viewpoint. I was merely questioning cobalt's opinion on who is the greater threat - the communists or the terrorists (read AQ). It is patently obvious to the casual observer that AQ is the greater threat. What the soviets "could have done" is meaningless today. As you said, it is "history".