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To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 12:39:37 AM
From: bentway  Respond to of 281500
 
"I don't really get why Bandar Bush went back home."

I read he was suffering from severe major depression. A personal thing.



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 12:43:20 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I'm not worried myself. I drive very little, have a Honda Civic that gets 40 mpg+. When I do drive, I try to efficeintly do all the errands that make sense for that drive. I'm ready for $10 gallon gas. I just fill up once a month. If it got REALLY bad, I've got a bicycle..



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 12:57:08 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
A Glimpse of Forces Confronting Saudi Rule

By WILLIAM GRIMES
August 17, 2005
nytimes.com

Western reporting on Saudi Arabia has been in attack mode ever since Sept. 11. Not since the Borgias has a ruling family received such bad press as the House of Saud, and the United States-Saudi connection is probably the one that Americans would most like to sever, if it could be done without raising gasoline prices.

In "Saudi Arabia Exposed," John R. Bradley, a British journalist who spent two and a half years as a newspaper editor and reporter in Saudi Arabia, will not make Americans feel any better about the Saudi royals, whom he calls "perhaps the most corrupt family the world has ever known." But he does provide a highly informed, temperate and understanding account of a country that, he maintains, is an enigma to other Arabs, and even to the Saudis themselves.

The book's accusatory tabloid title does not reflect its tone. "Inside Saudi Arabia" might have been better. Mr. Bradley, although based in Jedda, traveled far and wide throughout the country in an effort to map the regional tensions and cultural distinctions that make Saudi Arabia much more diverse and complicated than the smooth propaganda of its government would allow.

The House of Saud and the religious establishment, fired by the puritanical form of Islam known as Wahhabism , hold sway in the central region, al-Najd; elsewhere rifts and tensions abound. Mr. Bradley's heart is in the Hijaz, and the lingering cosmopolitanism of Jeddah, whose great merchant families tend to take a much more worldly view of politics and religion, including (with one notable exception) the bin Ladens. When the Saudi religious police objected to the use of a plus sign instead of an ampersand in a company's name because it resembled a Christian cross, a writer for the region's main newspaper, Al-Medina, suggested that perhaps the symbol should be replaced with a "tasteful Islamic crescent" in the country's math books.

In the 1920's and 1930's, Ibn Saud created a unified state from the disparate tribes of present-day Saudi Arabia by force, imposing a brand of Islam that, in many areas of the country, is regarded as alien. In Asir, on the border with Yemen in southeastern Saudi Arabia, Wahabbism has been accepted only reluctantly. Mr. Bradley sees women driving pick-up trucks, and in the remote hills he encounters a strange sect known as the flower men, who wear garlands of flowers and herbs and douse themselves in perfume.

In the southwest, Shiites, who constitute a majority, chafe under religious oppression and an official policy intended to convert them to Wahabbism. One official put the matter starkly: "We don't eat their food, we don't intermarry with them, we should not pray for their dead or allow them to be buried in our cemeteries." In April 2000, armed Shiites in Najran rose up against Saudi security forces, and their co-religionists in the Eastern Province, site of huge oil reserves, are also restive.

Saudi Arabia's young people make up another worrying constituency. Mr. Bradley strolls the malls and sits in secluded bedrooms with many disaffected Saudis. Those who travel to the West seem to bring back little more than a degree and a pile of consumer goods. Those who do not travel sit and fester. Waited on hand and foot, they watch satellite television or, using illegal computer cards to bypass the censors, log on to X-rated chat rooms on the Internet. Parents, Mr. Bradley writes, have delegated traditional responsibilities to a despised class of mostly Asian drivers, servants and nannies. As never before, young Saudis have been left to their own devices and easily fall prey to jihadist recruiters.

It comes as a shock to find that Saudi Arabia has something like a gay scene and a nascent feminist movement. In severely repressing all forms of interaction between men and women, the country leaves a large social space open to men, who are free to pursue relations with one another. "I don't feel oppressed at all," one gay man tells the author. "We have more freedom here than straight couples. After all, they can't kiss in public like we can, or stroll down the street holding one another's hands."

Half inch by half inch, the government has been opening the professions to women, who can now obtain commercial licenses and who now account for more than half of the kingdom's university graduates. Since liberal arguments have failed to move the clerical establishment, a new wave of Saudi women have turned to Islam, and Muhammad's earliest teachings, to develop legal ideas that are, so to speak, more fundamental than Wahabbi fundamentalism.

Mr. Bradley tends to leap at the merest glimmer of light. His liberals and reformers, however attractive, hold very weak cards, and the regime has shown itself extraordinarily resistant to change. But modern communications, and the government's grudging baby steps toward democratic reform, he argues, may be the first cracks that, spreading inexorably, could bring down the House of Saud.

Saudis and their tribal leaders have been changed by the oil money that bought their loyalty in the 1970's. Expectations have risen, as well as disillusionment that so few benefited from oil revenues. The war in Iraq, Mr. Bradley argues, "will come back to haunt the Al-Saud." Already, home-grown terrorists have adopted the insurgent tactics being used in Iraq, and battle-hardened Saudi volunteers will eventually return home. Prince Turki bin Khalid, a member of the ruling family, recently bought two apartments in the Time-Warner Center on Columbus Circle in Manhattan for a reported $8.1 million. One is for friends; the other he plans to keep empty. Mr. Bradley has a strong suspicion that he may need it.



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 1:35:29 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Bush indicted?

borealblog.blogspot.com

<<...Comments:

At 2:57 PM, Anonymous said...

Well, I would say that one possible clue is that when their local (Chicago) attorney representing Bush-Cheney et al. was asked to comment on the allegations, he said: "No comment".
Now I would think if this whole thing was baseless, no substance to it, then they would quickly try to smack down suspicion by saying, "It's totally false", but they didn't, instead declining to comment. The fact that the mainstream media so far is steering clear of this and remaining opaque about the possible ramifications of the Plame outing proves nothing except what we have long since known, that the American mainstream media is total corporate lapdog whores who feed us cotton candy fluff stories and tiptoe around anything damaging to their corporate masters and the bourgeosie as a whole. This is self-evident and has been for quite some time. Let's see what becomes of it; I wouldn't throw the notion out the window immediately; remember that there was a "convenient" bomb scare in Chicago, certainly an inside job in the subway right under where Fitzgerald's case was being heard. It is imprudent to immediately discount a possibility without first really examining it; remember, truth is frequently stranger than fiction.

At 3:12 PM, Anonymous said...

A couple other things to consider are that Bush has since tried to fire Patrick Fitzgerald to stop the expanding investigation and has also had some of the Republinazi hard-liners in the Senate trying to call Fitzgerald in to question his motives (the hypocrisy of the right wing is breathtaking; who could imagine that those who cheered on the witchhunt of Clinton regarding lying about oral sex would have the temerity to question the motives of someone else's investigation?). So I wouldn't discount the idea just yet...>>



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 2:09:29 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Who Are the Real Puppets?
___________________________________

By Scott Galindez
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Thursday 18 August 2005

As I flip my television from network to network, they sound like a broken record when they talk about Cindy Sheehan. They all seem to claim that she is a puppet of the left, the anti-war movement etc...

I am in Crawford and am spending a lot of time near Cindy. I promise you that Cindy is not the puppet in Crawford, but the puppet master. There is a media team working on her scheduling, but they are not telling her what to say.

The allegations that the left is exploiting Cindy couldn't be further from the truth. I see millions of people following Cindy, not the other way around. I got an e-mail from Cindy that she was going to go to Crawford, not from MoveOn.

The real question here is who is behind these allegations? Who are the real puppets here?

The corporate media are the ones reporting the same false claims, so it appears to me that they are the ones being controlled. Who is the puppet master? Is it Karl Rove? The RNC?

It's obvious that the media are speaking from the same script because while they accuse the left of exploiting Cindy, they present no evidence to back up their claims.

I have been at the Peace House during her breaks; she is not being ushered off to be coached, she is resting when away from the camp. She does meet with the family members and vets to discuss the message of Camp Casey, but that is how you build community and Camp Casey is a community.

I have not seen any professional handlers in Crawford. I have seen some excellent organizers putting together events after Cindy, the vets and other military families set the agenda.

So NBC, FOX, CBS, etc... Who is writing your script? Who is pulling your strings?
________________________________________

Scott Galindez is the Managing Editor of truthout.org.

truthout.org



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 6:15:36 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Democrats Finally Find the Guts to Lead, Thanks to Cindy

johnsugg.com



To: geode00 who wrote (169351)8/19/2005 8:29:56 AM
From: Keith Feral  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Well, it will be easier for urban populations to make the adjustment. It will be more difficult for families with young children to react. Although people look to the government for change, it will take more technology from the private sector to generate more fuel efficient cars. Hybrid cars need to become a commercial emergency for every car company in the world. I am so sick of these companies saying the higher costs of production are a deterrent.

I know this is the fadg where it's only cool to blame the President. Maybe he should be doing more. Read a great quote from "The Preservationist". "The problem with people who think that God will provide, is that they think God will provide." (pg.35) I think this is the paradox of faith. Just as people think God will provide, they think the government will provide. I guess that is why we have so many disillusioned liberals out there. People that rely on faith as a dependency are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment.

The world will change when people make it happen. The transition from carbon to hydrogen fuels is too far into the future. The immediate solution for fuel efficiency is to develop hybrid engines.

I would also like to see the government eliminate some of the ridiculous legislation about car seats for kids. 30 lbs should be the limit or 4 years old should be the limit. The inconvenience of these seats has encouraged more families to buy SUV's way beyond their usefulness. There is no reason to be putting 6 or 8 year olds into a car seat. I would trade in all of my Suvs if it weren't for the car seat restriction. It is too much of a pain in the ass to put kids in a car seat in a little 4 door camry with great gas mileage.

Once people stop buying their gas guzzlers, these car companies will get the ball rolling. Simple makeshift batteries can increase mileage up to 250 mpg. That blows away the 17 mpg I'm getting in my suv.