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To: Slagle who wrote (67941)	8/22/2005 1:14:27 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Slagle, it always amuses me to see the words "liberal" and liberalism used like that. Self-hating? Where do you get that from. I know the USA uses words in odd ways. Here is the liberal agenda. I'd be interested to see what points you disagree with. liberal.org.nz <The liberal agenda is a proposed programme for New Zealand liberals based on the principle of personal freedom. The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs or impede their efforts to obtain it. John Stuart Mill 1. Personal freedom The principle of personal freedom is the liberal touchstone: every person should be free to live as they choose, provided they do not infringe on this same right in others. 2. Limited government The proper role of government is to protect the personal freedom of its citizens and its powers and functions should be limited to that role and subject to the rule of law. 3. Free and open society A liberal society is a free and open society, where all interaction is based on mutual consent, and where government does not promote, or persecute any individual, group, or lifestyle, but protects all equally. 4. Civil society A liberal society embraces a diverse civil society with a variety of values, lifestyles, and circumstances where government does not attempt to limit that diversity through the social engineering of outcomes. 5. Free-market economy A liberal economy is based on the free market and property rights where the role of the government is limited to the protection of trade based on mutual consent. 6. Security The purpose of the legal system is to enforce the legal rights and responsibilities of its citizens: to protect their lives, freedoms, property, and contracts; however, government shares responsibility for its citizens' safety, but citizens retain the right to personal and collective self-defence. See also: Take the Touchstone test to see how closely your views match the liberal agenda. Articles applying the liberal agenda to current issues. > What word do you suggest be used to replace the word liberal to describe such ideas? You can also read here from the Institute for Liberal Values: liberalvalues.org.nz Maybe you prefer communism, fascism, general state authoritarianism, etc and really are against people. Mqurice