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To: SilentZ who wrote (249122)	9/3/2005 11:33:54 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577965

Yes, but would they have gotten out as quickly? I was talking about city transit before the storm hit... The mayor apparently said everyone get out that can and the rest of you stuck here, good luck.. You don't think beefing up the levees would've made a difference? We'll never know. Is that THE critical issue? A cat5 hurricane hit NewOrleans. End of story. A timeline from Fox, anyone got others? foxnews.com Saturday, the mayor of NewOrleans declares a state of emergency and urges residents in low-lying areas to evacuate. Sunday, the mayor orders a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans. But 10 shelters are also set up, including the Superdome, for those unable to leave. But no transportation for the residents he knew Thursday that cannot leave? Tuesday night, the mayor lets it fly on an interview... cnn.com cnn.com My neighbor here in the military was called up Wednesday morning and they left Thursday morning. The hurricane hit Monday morning. The levees failed Tuesday. To speculate how the president of the United States failed is ridiculous.

To: SilentZ who wrote (249122)	9/4/2005 6:36:39 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1577965

You said it would have been a lot cheaper in the long run to upgrade the levees...I said it would have been a lot cheaper in the long run if the mayor had used his resources to evacuate the people you see Blackhawks picking up off peoples' roofs.. Yes, but would they have gotten out as quickly? He didn't have those blackhawks last Friday for the evacuation. In fact, he didn't have them until this past Thursday. And don't let Harris fool with you on this one. The mandatory evacution for a hurricane is never really mandatory. They try to put the fear of God in you hoping that you will leave.......but many people never do........and its not just because they didn't have the wherewithal to get out. There are many who didn't evacuate NO because they just didn't want to; there are many who did not evacuate Bay St. Louis, Gulfport, Waverly, Biloxi etc for the same reason. Why do you think they are finding so many dead people in those towns? Many long time residents of the southern states see themselves as seasoned, hurricane aficionados.....they play the odds. Usually they make out okay but not this time. Did you glance over the "plan"? A bit. And I guess your point is that the city government screwed up seriously. Well, duh. It did no such thing. The mayor did the same thing every American mayor does when there is the potential for danger to his city. He strongly encouraged the residents of NO to evacuate. There is no way he could have made sure every resident had left........there were only 2 1/2 days to do the evacuation. That is SOP with a hurricane.....actually, its better than standard. The mayor had to hope his constituents would play it smart knowing full well that some won't. I was in a hurricane in the Gulf. My friends and I were surfing in the big waves. The storm was supposed to go into TX......instead it took a right turn into where we were. We didn't know......we started surfing around noon and the hurricane turned right around 3 PM. We were on a channel island that was put under mandatory evacuation at 3 PM. The neighbors told us the cops came down the main drag once with their loudspeaker blaring to evacuate the island. Of course, we never heard it. By the time, we got out of the water the bridge to the mainland was closed. We ended up riding out the storm. That happens all the time in every hurricane. The problem in NO was not the evacuation.......it was pretty typical. What became problematical was the response by the Feds after the storm hit......plus, you can add to that the negligence over not upgrading the levees as everyone locally was requesting. Yesterday, there was a guy on from the army corp of engineers.......he admitted they were playing the odds in NO. They figured there was a .05% chance that a hurricane > than a CAT 3 would hit NO. They were wrong and NO is paying the price for that mistake. The very idea that a city as large as NO had levees that were good only up to a CAT 3 hurricane is a ridiculous way to do business IMO. ted