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To: Moominoid who wrote (68444)	9/6/2005 4:35:12 PM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<Did Jesus say you shouldn't drink? > MOO remember the link I posted earlier to slagle from tne NY times - one in 5 americans believe the sun orbits the earth. I think there are a great number of people that believe things that someone in your position would find irrational - that so many people believe so many silly things. I found many of these folks had never read the bible like a book, all the way through, the majority of what they knew was what thier preacher told them through his personal experiences and stories and the few passages he pulled out of the bible to illustate certain rules. That was amazing to me - that you could be a follower of a religion and claim to be a student of the bible and never had read it. It was amazing the power some of these local preachers had. Mel Brooks used to say its good to be the king - but its also good to be the preacher too - hehe.

To: Moominoid who wrote (68444)	9/6/2005 4:59:15 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Moominoid Re: "alcohol" The idea doesn't come from the Bible. Product of 19th Century reformers, mainly the Methodists, in response to saloons and widespread drunkenness. The Volstead Act was literally a project of the Methodist Bishops. Slagle

To: Moominoid who wrote (68444)	9/6/2005 7:27:21 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 74559

"water into wine" It is supposed to be blood. It clearly inspired, still inspires, the Dracula stuff of the anglo-americans. Btw, the local blood pancakes are as good as ever.

To: Moominoid who wrote (68444)	9/16/2005 7:21:17 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

I am puzzled by these Christians who are against alcohol here in the US and a few born-again types in Britain. Did Jesus say you shouldn't drink? Didn't he turn water into wine? (at Kafr Qana) At least the Catholic church like the Jews uses wine in its ceremonies... protestants and roman catholics are not Christians, so i'm guessing that is why you are confused. if you want to learn the true teachings of Christianity, you have to study Orthodox Christianity. Orthodox Christians offer up bread and wine (mixed with water) every liturgy, to be mysteriously transformed into the body and blood of Christ. roman catholics have become so depraved in their heresy that often they don't even make the pretense of offering wine at their eucharist. they just give whomever comes forward for communion an unleavened wafer. the roman catholic "church" is so out of control and so far gone that some priests have even been known to substitute coke and pizza for the bread and wine. there are many scriptures in the new testament that make allowances for drinking wine. 1 Timothy 3:8 and 1 Timothy 5:23 for instance. there are heretical groups out there which purport to be Christian like mormons (LDS) and seventh-day adventists (SDA) which forbid their followers from drinking alcohol, but these are counterfeit Christians. --Cyprian