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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (251508)	9/15/2005 2:28:27 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572941

re: If we had gone in and overthrown Saddam and immediately left, would there be suicide bombers there now? **** No... Thanks, that's all I was saying. re: No, it'd be worse: Civil war with the winner ending up becoming the next Saddam. Change of subject; OK I'll bite. We obviously don't know what would have happened. But having stayed in Iraq, a "civil war with the winner ending up becoming the next Saddam", or worse an Iranian style government, is NOW a distinct possibility. Nothing different except $300Billion and 1000's of US casualties, 10,000's of Iraqi casualties, the animosity of the world, blah, blah, blah. Eventually Iraqis will decide their own form of government, self determination, but the process won't start until we are the hell out of there. re: Either way, the hatred and temptation of power was there to begin with. America did not create it. No kidding. It's been there for thousands of years. We didn't create it and we won't end it either. re: Whether we should have gone in there or not is a different question. But its not intellectually honest to change the whole cause-n-effect relationship just because you don't think we should have went into Iraq. I made a very narrow argument about suicide bombers and occupation and you guys keep trying to expand it... and put words in my mouth. You do that all the time. Argue with what I said, not with what you think I think. John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (251508)	9/15/2005 2:30:47 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572941

Suicide bombers kill 24 Iraqi policemen Suicide bombers have killed 24 policemen in Baghdad, wreaking more carnage after Al Qaeda in Iraq declared war on Shiite Muslims and anyone linked to the US-backed Government. Three blasts in the southern district of Doura, which also wounded 21 people, have dealt another blow to the Government, which has failed to subdue a Sunni Arab insurgency despite repeated US-Iraqi offensives like one that is under way in Tal Afar in the north. The explosions followed Wednesday's wave of attacks that cost more than 150 lives in Baghdad, including 114 people killed when a suicide bomber blew up a van in a crowd of labourers. A statement attributed to Iraq's Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said those bombings were the opening shots in a war on Shiites, who, along with Kurds, now hold power. Clashes erupted between police and insurgents after the suicide blasts in Doura, home to an oil refinery and a hotspot for violence. The first bomber rammed a car into a truck, killing 15 police commandos, elite units in the battle against insurgents. Hours later, two bombers struck two minutes apart, killing at least nine police commandos and officers. Al Qaeda also claimed responsibility for the latest attacks, without specifying which ones it had carried out. "Our lions are still creating victory with their honourable blood and the battle to avenge the Sunnis of Tal Afar is still being waged in Baghdad and other cities," said a statement on an Islamist website often used by the group. Near the town of Hilla, 100 kilometres south of Baghdad, police said they found the body of Mahdi al-Attar, a prominent cleric in one of the Shiite parties dominating the Government. He and three associates were shot and stabbed to death. continued................ abc.net.au