To: altair19 who wrote (47153 ) 9/29/2005 7:05:37 PM From: Crocodile Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 104157 altair~Great rant. Thanks lol.. well, i have to comment further now. i agree that hunting from ATVs isn't hunting at all, but i've seen it up here and while traveling elsewhere. bad scene. as for coyote becoming a nuisance, we haven't had so much of that, but the fisher have killed some people's pets (they were reintroduced to kill porcupines but they seem to like "other" prey such as cats). just one of those somewhat failed experiments in wildlife management. <g> animals also learn bad habits from humans, and things can really backfire. up here, around this time of the year last autumn, a number of people on one of the canoe route forums were ranting about how some of the hunting guides from the lodges where putting out bear bait along portage routes between some of the lakes well before hunting season. a couple of the paddlers managed to intercept the guides and asked why they would be doing such a stupid thing --- and get this! it was because so many of the "guests" fly in and want to bag a bear in a couple of days and don't want to have to do any walking, so the guides try to get bear coming to the portage areas so that they can just drive up in a boat, let the guys out and they can get their bear a.s.a.p. by baiting awhile ahead, they can get the bears used to coming to the bait so that they aren't wary. (hope i didn't tell this story last year, but it still makes me very annoyed as it's a good example of how we -- collectively speaking of humans -- "program" animals so that they become a nuisance). In these same areas, bears are now regularly breaking into cottages even when there are people around and people are complaining that the bears aren't wary anymore. doh!!! the "other" thing that gets to me is that (and i have encountered this so often that it really gets my back up)... many hunters have this weird idea that something about being a "hunter" makes them experts on wildlife. you go to a meeting to discuss solutions to problems and they snicker at the "naturalists" because *guffaw* they're just tree-huggers and bird-brains. very annoying as most of us, at least among my circle, could hunt rings around these guys because we're excellent trackers and have spent much of our lives out in the forests or along rivers. anyhow, yes, you're quite right -- these are complex issues and there should be some serious discussions on how to deal with them. ~ the grumpy croc