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To: KLP who wrote (171549)	9/30/2005 2:03:39 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

And "remember" none of them (9/11) were Iraqi. The Iraqis who provide information to our government are desperate to leave the country and come here- the better their story, the better the deal they get. Think about it. Would YOU trust their evidence? The best evidence against any Iraqi mission like this, is that there weren't any Iraqis in the 9/11 plot (or in the London plot). If there was anything to it, some documents should exist- Iraq was fairly bureaucratic. If there are no documents found, and no evidence but the testimony of men with a great deal to gain by telling people who think like you do what they want to hear, then I suggest to you that you are clutching at straws. (the fact that we've heard nothing about Salman Pak from a Bush admin desperate to justify itself, leads me to believe you've got no hope in that direction- but they say hope springs eternal...)

To: KLP who wrote (171549)	9/30/2005 2:36:08 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Karen, the last paragraph of your post says it all: "In either case, we soon may know much more about Salman Pak — assuming it has not been thoroughly sanitized. Baghdad's liberation should snap open government file cabinets and loosen captured officials' tongues. Before long, they may reveal the extent of Saddam Hussein's complicity in the September 11 massacre. And you'll recall that Bremer's provisional occupation authority spent literally billions of dollars trying to prove up such stories and came up with......ZERO. Stories such as these based on the reports of one or "two defectors" were channeled through the Chalabi connections and circulated by the White House intelligence "brain" trust but questioned by Cia and State Dept. They are not entitled to credibility no matter how convincing they were as initially presented. The basis for such stories is obvious. What motive to deceive did Chalabi and the other exiles have? Why did Chalabi later say with respect to questions about the veracity of "intelligence" that he'd channeled to the White House that he did what he "had to" in order to remove Hussein and that he had no regrets? Why does he no longer sit with Laura Bush? So many questions; only one answer. g. But if you are right about the Salman Pak facility and it's use, Iraq still had less in the way or terrorist connections than Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, etc. On 9/11 there were more known terrorists in many countries, maybe even including our own, than in Iraq and Saddam Hussein's government had not been implicated in ONE terrorist act or plot against the US for more than a decade. It simply isn't possible to make the case that Iraq was a haven and hotbed for terrorists prior to our invasion. Of course it is a haven and hotbed now, and many of the terrorists there were probably moderates or politically naive before they saw us as infidel invaders attempting to control their lives using tanks, choppers and guns and leaving a trail of dead and injured Iraqis in our wake. But, unfortunately, that's part of the cost of an ill conceived, poorly executed and doomed-to-failure exercise in sticking your nose in someone else's home. Ed