To: Solon who wrote (22554 ) 10/2/2005 6:26:46 PM From: Ichy Smith Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 28931 ""I was simply taught not to disparage another persons beliefs."" Surely you were! Quite impartial opinions, indeed!! LOL!! I am sorry, I do differentiate between actions and beliefs. We were talking about religious beliefs. Political activities are different to me. And American Politics seem almost incomprehensible. The American need to hang people before you try them seems almost incomprehensible. And the Drama of it all..... Americans can be such Drama Queens, a nation whose news reporting is devoted to hysteria...Ever since the Hindenburg, hysterics all the time......BTW I am finding that in our discussions you seem to not understand that it is not your goals I find problematic, simply your methods. I realise that this is a relatively flat medium, but I am rather more attracted to the "Aim of religion but the methods of science." Thus while the passion of your attacks on Christianity disturb me, the objectives make sense to me. So that when you quote me pages of the sins of whatever flavour of religion you care to, I simply see more symptoms of the fanatic. And your anger to me seems to be fanatical. I may be not perceiving your emotions properly, and if so I apologise, but you simply seem very angry to me, and I think that for me that anger seems strange.... Why? I am not trying to disagree with your position, but simply ask why the anger in it? If there is no anger, no rage then I am mistaken, I have no problem with that, it happens all the time, but that is how I see it. and I don't seem to communicate it very well......"many of the places udergoing conflict would have had fewer problems if the US wasn't so ham handed in it's diplomatic efforts. Supporting the Shah was a disaster, supporting Saddam was a collosal error, and American policy in Israel has been a text book case of what not to do. Not that I think the Israeli's are wrong, but I think without the US constantly trying to manipulate niceness, the Israeli's would be living in Israel in peace by now. The Iraqi problem should have been a UN effort. The problem that UN Officials were simply making too much money under the table to actually do their jobs, and the French and Russian Governments had too much money to lose to allow the UN to go in is something that Americans seem to ignore. If the US were to withdraw tomorrow, they would lose that supply of oil. Watch and see how well Democrats react to that little problem."