To: tejek who wrote (253624 ) 10/3/2005 6:59:29 PM From: Tenchusatsu Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1571675 Ted, I'll try to respond all at once to your posts (at least those worth responding to). No one is denying the fact that blacks in America start off with a lot less than those of other races. Yet I see many successful black "role-models" pretty much role-modeling the wrong ideas. Things like you have to be good at basketball or other athletic sports to succeed. You have to nail the hottest chick in the club or school in order to be "da man." You have to demand that the government give you handouts because no one else will demand it for you in this dog eat dog world. And of course, you have to support guys like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the late Johnny Cochran, and not "sellouts" like Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Meanwhile, conditions continue to be bad for predominantly black neighborhoods. This even after two generations of civil rights (and a 1/2 generation of "political correctness"). This even after a ton of education on black history to the point where more kids know about Harriet Tubman than they do about George Washington. (Nothing wrong with Harriet Tubman, but what about one of the foremost Founding Fathers of this nation?) This even after many generations of welfare and other New Deal policies that have not eliminated poverty, but instead fostered a culture of dependence. I remember when I was growing up how my parents would get really angry if I didn't bring home straight A's. I rarely did anyway, but just the expectations are valuable in itself. It also helped that I had a lot of friends who were also under tremendous pressure to excel as well, so peer pressure didn't conflict as much as it could have. I can honestly say that culture makes a difference. And as you already know, race and culture are closely tied together. So what's wrong with expecting more, even from disadvantaged kids? Why can't we fight against a culture that so easily destroys families, discourages hard work in school, and focuses on rights instead of responsibilities? Why can't we expose reality without having to face the PC Nazis, if our goal is to change that reality? Ultimately, it's all up to blacks themselves to lift themselves out of the rut they're in, but the rest of us can start showing some tough love if we stop fearing this sensitivity crap. Tenchusatsu