To: Maurice Winn who wrote (171996 ) 10/5/2005 3:42:30 PM From: Sun Tzu Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 I don't have that hat. But I have a jester hat that I wear on ski slopes. Will that do? About MENSA, I've been to a few meetings (not my cup of tea) and they have online news letters and what not (good for some puzzles, not so good editorial and social commentary). My undergrad education was in a very demanding school (U of W, Ontario). Cut off mark for my program was an A+. I did a bunch of national science competitions (math, physics, chemistry) organized by the same university because they said the results can't hurt your admission but I reasoned (rightly) that it could help. I came between the top 5% to 1% in Canada (depending on the test) But of course that was nothing special for that program. My roommate came in at number 1 in the country (in physics) for example. There were plenty of people there to make me feel dumb in comparison. What I am telling you, since you asked, is that I've had lots of high-IQ and even smart people around me. My comments were based on personal observations (as stated in the post). The smartest people I knew, such as my roommate or some of my other friends, were also very presentable and had a good sense of humour. They also happened to be the ones who were too busy for vanity clubs like MENSA. Some were doing double majors, some were doing real interesting work outside the school, and any spare time was spent at the campus center socializing and playing games. The few who were after MENSA or specially were proud of their IQ had attitude problems and some would qualify as socially handicapped. The vast majority in the middle were just like your average high school classmate, except that they had good engineering aptitude...but nothing special beyond that. BTW, the post you replied to was meant as an answer to another post of yours...oh well. cheers, ST