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To: epicure who wrote (172034)10/5/2005 7:58:02 PM
From: bentway  Respond to of 281500
 
Brucie is just in a foul mood. His chosen chimp is embarassing him, and all of his other wingnut supporters. His deficts are monumental, we haven't "grown our way out of them", his war is an abysmal, seemingly endless failure and he's been revelaed as a true moron without Karl to tell him to pretend to care about CAT 5 hurricanes. His cronies have been robbing us blind, and theyre beginning to get indicted. He's laid little "Brownies" thoughout the government.

The chimps chickens are coming home to roost, and it's going to be a bad time in America - all because of the chimp and his mindless supporters. What game will Karl run to attempt to change the subject?



To: epicure who wrote (172034)10/6/2005 7:40:44 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I've seen no evidence that the folks you mention were given sanctuary by Saddam. I don't believe you. All the people I listed have been listed in the press. I think you are well read enough to know this. As I mentioned, Richard Clarke described Yasin as being "given sanctuary" by Saddam in his 911 commission testimony. Surely you read this.

But what can you do - your ego is big so you have to cling to denial.

The fact that Abu Nidal's bullet filled corpse was found in Iraq sort of implies the opposite The fact he'd lived in Baghdad for years does more than imply my claim was correct - it constitutes real evidence.

Now what evidence do you have that Saddam actually approved of the terrorists' entry into Bagdad? Saddam's Iraq was a controlled police state, consciously modeled on Stalin's regime, with an extensive internal police that monitored everyone in the country. People got arrested and sent to prison in Saddam's Iraq for telling jokes unfavorable to Saddam - even being present and hearing such a joke told. I recall hearing one such person interviewed on NPR - he was with a group of young men when an anti-Saddam joke was told. They were informed on and the whole lot rounded up. The interviewee was the sole survivor.

There were (and probably still are) terrorists in the US- using US passports, using our hospitals, calling people, making contacts, training on airplanes- but I am assuming Mr. Bush didn't offer them sanctuary. We don't have a Stalinist-style police state, unlike Saddam.

So, what's your proof? You just have to use your head. Yasin, for instance, had a multimillion reward on his head. His presence in Iraq was verified by western reportes who saw him there. Surely Yasin's status as a wanted criminal would have not have escaped the attention of Saddam's government. Most of the other names I mentioned were big names - well known worldwide for their terrorist actions. It is amazing that you are actually pretending that Saddam had no idea these folks were in his country. Isn't this an embarrassing position to take? You know better.

Because if you let something lapse long enough, your response begins to look like "revenge" rather than "protecting yourself". I am opposed to letting things lapse. It is perceived as weakness and encourages bad things. We shouldn't let the mere passage of time be used as an excuse.