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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (254653)	10/10/2005 5:46:57 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570834

So, what's the solution? Rounding up all the Gypsies (about 5 million people) and relocating them in a Gypsy Homeland in Central India? Nah, put them in Gaza. The Israelis recently left, so there's nobody of note in Gaza at the moment...

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (254653)	10/10/2005 3:49:47 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1570834

Therefore the ostracizing of Turkey portends the unconscious fancy of a European-Turkish war.... You have an overactive imagination. Hollywood wants/needs you! ;~) Turks are some of the most despised people in Germany and Sweden although official policy says otherwise. Indeed. Likewise, Gypsies make up the most despised underclass throughout Central and Eastern Europe(), so much so that, had EU officials held Central/Eastern European countries to the same humanitarian standards they imposed on Turkey as regards Kurds and Armenians, it's likely that none of them would have qualified (for EU membership). So, what's the solution? Re: Turkey is seen as being different. Its a Muslim country but also the seat of a Christian religion. Its amazing to me that the gypsies continue to be a static issue in Europe. You would have thought by now their assimilation would have progressed further than it has. It used to. Ever since 1453 and the fall of Constantinople to Mehmet II's Otman Turks, Orthodox Christians have been but a religious minority among others....* Instanbul is still the seat for the Orthodox religion. My point was that Turkey has one foot in Europe and one in the ME both figuratively and literally........with the European view much more compelling. Scaremongers spun the same story back in the early 1980s when the then EEC was about to welcome Spain and Portugal. French populists particularly foreboded a massive influx of cheap labor and products (wines, fruit,...) into France. However, the opposite happened: many Spaniards (or their better educated children) who had emigrated in the 1960s and 1970s moved back to what soon became Europe's hottest economy (Spain still enjoys a higher GDP growth). Nonetheless, the economic gap between Turkey and Spain now is more formidable than was the gap between Spain and the rest of western Europe when they wanted admittance into the EU. There has always been a bias against the southern countries by northern Europeans........but they were all inside 'the same family'. I think Turkey is perceived as being outside 'the family'. Besides, the EU has the most serious problems with countries that will never be part of it. Just think of the current mess on the Spanish/Moroccan border...(**) Illegal migrants from (sub-)Saharan Africa (Mali, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Senegal,...), Ukraine (there are already over 200,000 Ukrainians living in the Iberian Peninsula), and Russia/Central Asia, keep flocking to our gates. Keeping Turkey out will actually exacerbate our immigration challenges, not alleviate them. So why would you want to exacerbate those problems? ted