To: tejek who wrote (254933 ) 10/13/2005 4:10:52 AM From: GUSTAVE JAEGER Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570954 Re: What can I say...........torture has become a way of life in Italy just like in the US. When you elect a neocon into office that's what happens. I hope you're right and it's just a Judeocon deviance --not an American one... However, you overlook the fact that Bush was RE-elected in 2004 DESPITE the ongoing war in Iraq(*). As I once put it, the dirty little secret beneath all this may well be that waging war abroad is the only way for the US not to wage it at home .... Somehow, the US is the mirror image of Europe. Your country boasts all the trappings, all the visible tokens, of a united policy: one language (English --even though Spanish is catching up), one Judeo-Protestant mythology (even though fringe/dissident faiths are tolerated), one Kultur (the Bible, the flag and the apple pie)... The "apple pie" being much more than the traditional pastry --it can be construed as a catchall for Hollywood, baseball, the NRA, McDonald's, etc. Hence Americans look like one, big, happy family --especially when compared to the European motley... Yet, as most insiders and observers of the US have noted, the US "monolith" is fraught with deep cultural/ideological faults, so much so that it's somehow misleading to view the US as a single country. Contrariwise, Europe's got all the trappings of a variegated, centrifugal community: 20 different languages, 25 different Kulturs, indeed 25 different nation-states --yet a common worldview as regards diplomacy, religion, and politics. For instance, the welfare state, Communist parties, and the confinement of religion to the private sphere, are all European staples.... So much so that we could posit that, from a cultural perspective, Europe makes up a more genuinely unified polity than the US --which somehow accounts for the fact that inter-European warfare is widely deemed a thing of the past. Whereas for Americans, civil war has never died out. In the US, civil war can't be dismissed as a bygone curse never to break out again --it has lingered just below the surface up to this day. Gus (*) Message 21635695