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Strategies & Market Trends : Anthony @ Equity Investigations, Dear Anthony, -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: just_a_question who wrote (92829)10/12/2005 8:03:40 PM
From: tool dude  Respond to of 122087
 
Dont bother me I'm watchin Wheel of Fortune love that show!



To: just_a_question who wrote (92829)10/12/2005 9:34:35 PM
From: tool dude  Respond to of 122087
 
come on out ya little worm



To: just_a_question who wrote (92829)10/12/2005 9:44:03 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 122087
 
Do you believe the jury should have returned a verdict of Not Guilty on all counts?

Based on the way the government presented the evidence, the way in which the evidence was (hardly) refuted, and the way the judge instructed the jury, I think the jury can't be faulted for their verdict.

Now that I've answered your question, what does your survey accomplish? Nothing of any value.

For example, Tony was found guilty of trading against his advice on VLPI. Read his chronology and tell me if, assuming you understand the terminology, you think the government was accurate in how they presented things to the jury. Message 21767410

Let's now look at the bigger picture: are "trading against advice" charges relevant to anthonypacific.com? Normally this applies to brokers and their relationship with their clients. I can see it extended to pump and dumps where the people pumping a stock and selling into it know full well they are deceiving people. I truly doubt Tony purposefully trashed a stock in order to buy cheap shares.

Tony's site had a disclaimer on it (see below). Could he have been any more disclaimful (for lack of a better word)? No, I don't think disclaimers make one immune from scamming people. But I do think they serve as adequate protection for chat and message board sites where it's just not possible, or even expected, that one will announce each and every trade or promise to never do something other than what they just posted regardless of how fast the market is moving or how fast one is automatically stopped out.

On the one hand, the government has this "big list" of unindicted co-conspirators, read: site members who traded along with Tony. Then, on the other hand, to make the trading-against-advice charges stick, they attempt to portray the site members as sheep to be fleeced. Doesn't it seem a bit odd to you that they never produced a single site member as a witness to coorborate the charges of fleecing?

So if you really want to foster a constructive discussion, how about querying others for insight on this one explicit charge?

- Jeff

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Partial Disclaimer on AnthonyPacific.com:

"THE SITE OFFERS NO FINANCIAL ADVICE IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER, We are not a registered investment advisor nor are we affiliated with any broker dealer. Investments in equity securities are risky and use of the information on our Site is at the investor's sole risk. Investors should not rely on the information provided by us. This site is merely a closed and private community of people who do not want the outside noise associated with free message boards. People are allowed to discuss any topic which does not violate the Terms of use as written here. NO INVESTMENT ADVICE IS GIVEN AND NO IMPLIED RESULTS SHOULD EVER BE EXPECTED. THIS SITE HAS NO TRACK RECORD, AND NO SUCH CALCULATIONS ARE MADE."

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To: just_a_question who wrote (92829)10/12/2005 10:01:13 PM
From: Bear Down  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 122087
 
Although you are correct, I believe Tony was guilty of at least one of the charges, I don't believe the court did its job to insure Tony a fair trial and I believe the prosecution did whatever it took to win without regard to truth or justice, but that is the way of the American courts. I also believe if other similar crimes and sentences are to be a gauge for sentencing then Tony should be released for time served when he finally gets sentenced, but we know that isn't going to be the case.



To: just_a_question who wrote (92829)10/13/2005 1:00:35 PM
From: Man on the moon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 122087
 
well that's another thing you, and your brand new SI buds, have wrong, as you and your chums rack up your list of assumptions, misfires, and other cloaked attacks again Elgindy. No doubt you are one of these guys that are hell-bent on seeing Elgindy fry into vapor. May somebody have mercy on your soul some day. SI Dave and/or Bob, just so we can be more clear as to who is double and triple posting under different monikers, I hope you are helping enforce SI policies through IP backtracking etc. For example, Matthew Tyson, who STILL lives with his mom, with no real career (any recent cases Matt?), is betting all he can to extract money from Elgindy's kids so he can pay off his mounds and mounds of debt he has run up over the years through probable irresponsible spending in SoCal. Then, there are a smattering of other folks who probably are in Ken Breen's cosa nostra who no doubt have probably been commissioned to deal with Elgindy's recent public posts, and of course there are the good ole' boys associated with the ashes of former FRAUD stocks that just can't get over the fact they were BUSTED. The anti-naked shorter wanna be’s who promised death and destruction to all who even think about naked shorting, are in absolute dis-belief that it still actually still goes on and and that some things just don’t even change. LOL. Tell ya what folks, if you are gonna pony up the world’s biggest set of scammy markets where good ole boy mentality has played throughout for well over 100 years, you better be prepared to get brusised in the process. Dale Baker is a good guy but somewhat like a school boy is getting his thrills in pushing his foot into Elgindy's neck over and over because Elgindy called him childish names after Dale left Elgindy's web site as a "long" guy in “blue”. Dale also has years of experience working for the US government (diplomat) so he likes to tap into that - especially the "inappropiate" things that governments like to point out in the public sector even though governments themselves are the mosh pits of new born corruption over and over. Hell, why do you think there are so many “security levels” in the government in the first place? ROFL. Dale is not the kind of dude to sign up with multiple aliases though, and in all fairness, he probably has avoided corruption issues pretty well. Bear Down is simply too stoned to know where to point, and being a potential unindicted conspirator himself, has to walk the line very carefully. Which brings us to all of Elgindy’s members who for the most part have not said a word here. Can you blame them one bit? LOL of course not after the carefully crafted web that Breen's court club has setup in this matter. By the way, speaking of Breen, does he have ties to the NASD or doesn’t he? Just a question. My stance on this whole matter, especially after seeing the some of the testimony and the weak defense lawyers stumble through it, and all the TOTALLY INNAPROPIATE references to 9/11 is that Elgindy has served enough time and hardship to last a lifetime on this matter and should pay whatever fines they agree on, and cut him loose back to his family and to the markets where he belongs. The prosecution was particularly brutal in this trial, almost seemingly driven by ulterior forces, revenge, whatever. The jury and even the judge no doubt were probably as confused as heck at times, the sheer overload of information, with the jury probably receiving no proper stock market orientation. And I already disregard anybody that responds back to me claiming I insult our justice system, etc. Gimme a friggin break and go get a reality check. Peel back all the formality of the justice systems in this world, and you have people, human beings that either understand certain topics or they don’t. Who the heck else has stood up to the plate in such a bold and well, entertaining matter while stock fraud INCREASES on the horizon? I think it's fair to say he has learned a few lessons and you can bet he has remorse if those guilty verdicts are TRULY appropriate. There are much bigger and far more important fish to fry, such as very kind of people Elgindy targeted. Once a felon, twice a felon, whatever, he never did any true harm to anyone, especially compared to the many FREAKS of the world that cause physical and inappropriate emotional harm and killing day after day..only to be bailed out, not caught, etc. Before (and after) Royer showed up and clouded the issues, Elgindy did the market pretty significant favors, helping the very SEC that is supposed to crack down on market fraud. Heck certain folks in the SEC relied on him. But that’s government, and the way much of it works. He just didn’t make the fraudsters to happy about it. And the naive would be surprised how FAR up the ladder fraud travels.My gut feeling is that most of us have no clue the real stories behind how the markets truky works, and that the book and movie is pending one day in the future. Tony never asked the SEC for a paycheck, and so what if the way he got paid was to put up his own money at a huge risk to pull money out of the market in the process. Most people wouldn't have the guts for this totally legit way to make money. There is a human reality associated with how much time in jail someone should receive for supposed crimes. We all know how the system is usually not fair, and there are tons of other cases like Elgindy’s where the end result was not appropriate for the supposed crime. There is no way in my opinion that Elgindy should be facing years and years in prison for all this. He is also a father of three young boys that need him more than ever. Evolution does exists, and people should be given new opportunities where appropiate. I believe this is apporopiate.