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To: KLP who wrote (142858)	10/14/2005 6:05:18 AM
From: John Carragher	Respond to of 793917

its the parents. my kid assistant coach for high school hockey for a few years . he and coach would ask parents and kids at the beginning of the year. What do you want to accomplish, win or have everyone get a chance to play. If win we will try to play everyone but not at times if means it will cost the game. Parents and kids said they wanted a title! they won the title the second year first time in many years for the high school Head coach not invited back and my son quit too. Why, parents were all upset over their kid not getting enough ice time. Seems these parents have their kids on two or three teams to get as much ice time as possible for college scholarships. In the end the answer was not give all the kids ice time or win but give my kid all the ice time. Parents destroy teams not kids.

To: KLP who wrote (142858)	10/14/2005 8:24:33 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793917

heard today that the coach had participated in a prayer before games for the last 23 years!!! Yes, prayer and sports have gone hand in hand for years, just as prayer in school went on for years, and yes, coaches and leaders aren't supposed to participate at all. One of the strongest protests arises from the fact that this is so strongly tied to tradition. Maybe a case could be won by considering this ceremonial prayer, rather than religious. I've been playing devil's advocate (in some people's mind literally, I'm sure) for two reasons. One is that I think a lot of people have difficulty understanding how coercive this kind of situation can be for young people (and for many adults), and the second is because of the amazement and outrage expressed that the coach got called out for breaking the law. Having raised two athletic boys in Texas where God holds a football in his right hand, I have sat through some pretty awful awards banquets, and heard some things come out of coach's mouths that I know they never intended to be as insulting as they were. For instance, an award is given in each sport to the boy or girl best exemplifying the what an athlete should be, and one year a coach said something like, JoeBob is everything you want in an athlete. He's a hard worker, a leader, and he's a good Christian. We were sitting there with a Jewish family, and my son was sitting with his best friend (who was captain of that particular team and a Muslim). It was said without any intention of offending I know, but it WAS offensive, carrying as it did the implications that those NON Christians didn't quite measure up. In fact, this goes back to my first point about people not understanding that not everyone finds religion innocent of preferential treatment and that it does involve some intimidation factor, whether it is meant to or not. UNtil there is sensitivity to this, I think we will continue to see extreme reactions to perceived offense. And yes, I know we are now into beating the dead horse, and expect Lindy will ask us to move on!