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To: Rambi who wrote (142896)	10/14/2005 11:38:11 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793926

I know. New subject. Heard on KVI here tonight, that 3 (at least) school districts in the last few days, have had school events, including sporting events, where they did say the Pledge of Allegiance, BUT in all cases, the person leading it left out "Under God".....From the looks of things, it was not an accident. The atheists are winning, and frankly, I'm not the only one who is offended. Everyday, Joe Public, will rise up one day, and we will all wonder what happened. Water on stone, pretty soon, becomes a hole in the stone.

To: Rambi who wrote (142896)	10/24/2005 12:47:11 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793926

I've been playing devil's advocate (in some people's mind literally, I'm sure) for two reasons. One is that I think a lot of people have difficulty understanding how coercive this kind of situation can be for young people (and for many adults) I understand that this can be the case, OTOH I don't think that peer pressure, or even the support by someone with a greater then pear status, like the coach, should be considered the same or treated as the same as if the coach was forcing people to pray. Someone may feel pressure, but that isn't the same are really being forced to do anything. I don't consider this an issue of establishment at all. I also don't consider this to be an issue of dealing with "the law as it stands" vs. "the law as I might want it to be". With the law in question being the constitution, the only relevant requirement is that there be no establishment of religion. A coach praying with his team might be a bad idea (it might cause some people to feel excluded, or offended, and it might cause others to feel pressure to participate when they really don't want to), but it isn't the establishment of religion. Tim