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To: KLP who wrote (143027)	10/15/2005 10:55:47 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

It is unfortunate that it has to be such a "winning and losing" proposition. I am of mixed feelings about the Pledge--the words "under God" weren't part of the original and so don't for me have the persuasive gravitas of tradition, and they aren't essential to the core of the pledge itself what we are about--liberty and justice for all. Kholt mentioned the element of power- the side in control doesn't have to be the aggressor since it has the power and so believers are the ones who feel they are being attacked. However, it was the side of minorities who felt they had no control and wanted some consideration. They tried to gain some of the power and did so by what then was perceived as "attacking". Unfortunately and predictably, people dig in their heels and it becomes a huge battle. Some of the battles were not worth fighting-- some were. Some are not even about religion, but about perception of bias and power. Some were asking for things that imo could have been left alone-- traditional prayer, old monuments, established symbols- the historical place of religion in our country should be granted respect. The minority should focus on the things that actively affect them or their children. We are all surrounded by passive influences and part of developing character and strength is learning how to think independently. However, asking children to actively participate (here we get into the peer and authority pressure thing again) in something may cross the line. Extending your metaphor, we now have two rocks banging away at each other.

To: KLP who wrote (143027)	10/15/2005 11:21:02 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

BUT in all cases, the person leading it left out "Under God"... What's wrong with everyone saying it his own way? If the leader says it with "under God," then I finish early. If the leader says it without the "under God," then you finish late. What difference does it make as long as there's no one standing over you enforcing the pace of the leader? It seems to me that the leader's choice approach is a reasonable compromise, one I had not thought of before.