To: brian h who wrote (1422 ) 10/22/2005 3:03:01 PM From: Seeker of Truth Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218180 Hello Brian.h, Mao's intentions? Like you I'm sure Mao never did anything that wasn't connected with a desire to increase his personal power. Having suffered so much from the communists, I'll be the last person to concede any improvement in China. Sometimes, however, I chat with people who fled the mainland relatively recently and are now living in Canada. They all say that things have improved in China in the last decade or two. The party doesn't any more require neighborhood meetings in which you are expected to denounce somebody or examine your own thinking etc. Presumably the party decided that these meetings actually reduced their power, otherwise they would have continued them. The consensus is that if you keep your mouth tightly shut you can get along in mainland China. However they want to live in a place where you can open your mouth and say anything, anything. It is a gorgeous freedom for them. Anyway a China in which you are no longer required to chant fulsome praise for evil rulers or denounce oneself for imaginary deviations, seems to be an improvement. I believe what they tell me because they do not love the communist party. There is the view that improvement will continue. The pace will be slow and none of us will see a democratic mainland China in our lives, least of all octogenarian me. I'm neutral on this. I was tricked by the communists and I go to Europe, South America, Japan, Australia, India on business but never never to China. They'll never trick me again. As to the future I know that you believe that the Chinese Communist party will never change, and I consider that an intellectually respectable viewpoint and you may turn out to be 100% right. It also may be true that the industrialization, which has risen from the Chinese people's inherent zeal for studying and working, may somehow bring about democracy, with the lessening of economic tensions, which follow. I'm quite vague about this. My daughter and sister have both visited China and seem to have this view. A Chinese professor in a Shanghai university who visited Toronto once told me of his experiences. He was getting his Ph.D. in some technical subject in the US at the time, 1950, when the mainland was "liberated". Stirred by his love of the Chinese people, he decided to turn down offers of good jobs in the US and went back to Shanghai. Eventually he was arrested. Since he had trained in the US he obviously was a US agent; came the communist reason. He was tortured. After Deng came into power he was rehabilitated and in that period he was one of the select group who were allowed to make tours of foreign countries' universities to catch up on more modern technology. I asked him if he thought that the bad old days would return. He said "If they do and I am again imprisoned and tortured I will commit suicide. I couldn't take that anymore." Personally, I tried suicide in prison but they were watching me carefully and I was not allowed to succeed. I don't know Jay's views but I presume that he thinks that matters will improve with the economy which is palpably improving. That view may be wrong but it is also intellectually respectable, so I think. One view that is not intellectually respectable is the view that the Communists have never done wrong, nobody was killed in the Tien An Men "incident" etc. That is a religion and in my view no religion is intellectually respectable. We haven't seen such posts for some time. Also Fa Lun Goong are a bunch of nuts, I think. Good luck to you in everything.