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To: greenspirit who wrote (173415)	10/27/2005 4:46:34 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

WOW, nice post. You laid it all out.

To: greenspirit who wrote (173415)	10/27/2005 5:25:33 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Cummings, I attacked the very principle of putting the deaths of 2,000 young Americans "in context," and the portion of your post that addressed that issue was: "The piece which prompted you to post this attack was written to put some historical context in place as the emotion drivel media focus on 2000 casualties alone...In that context, it drove the point home rather clearly." Maybe you should read what I wrote, stop whining about how the sky could have fallen if we hadn't gone in and made it more likely the sky would fall, and stop whining about people who can't seem to put 2,000 dead "in context." If you want to respond on point then let me know and we'll talk about how it is that men like you who claim to care so much for "for the thousands of women and children who were being tortured and killed for years in Iraq" (no emotional aspect to that is there?) can put the deaths of our soldiers "in context" by pointing out basically, "hey, lots of people die." So that you don't have to look it up, here's the crux of that post: "Cummings, re: "2,000 Dead, in Context.." What intelligent logic is behind that inquiry? Should we put the number of Vietnamese Lt. Calley killed in that small Vietnamese village "in context?" Should we put the number of 9/11 dead "in context?" Should murderers be allowed to defend their murders by employing the "in context" defense of; "I only killed ONE, JUST ONE. Where's the justice?" Those who use such morally specious arguments are the dregs of humanity. And those who parrot them are in the same league. Try to "get it." We sent those 2,000 men and women to a war we started in Iraq. They went because we asked them to go. They died because we sent them. They aren't coming back. They're rotting pieces of torn meat. Their families are forever wounded. The lives of their friends and lovers are forever changed. They and their fellow soldiers killed a lot of men and women over there. FATE DIDN'T TAKE THEIR LIVES, WE DID. The question is not "how many," the question is "was it justified." That question is three-pronged. Was there a reason for war that justified the expenditure of the lives of our children? Was there no other way to achieve the mission that justified the war? Was the mission "doable?" If ANY of the answers to those question are "no," then the war cannot be justified and NOT ONE LIFE should have been sacrificed. It's that simple.

To: greenspirit who wrote (173415)	10/27/2005 5:45:33 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

You must be swallowing an equally bitter pill now that the majority of the American Public is against the war in Iraq and the majority of the American Public disapproves of Bush. Under your standards of democracy, that means YOU are wrong. This war has been going on for centuries in all of its various forms since the religions split themselves up and went their own fundamentalist and insane ways. World wars, imperialism and lust for oil and money just add to the mix. You're just seeing the latest skirmishes and calling them 'war' when, in fact, it's a much bigger and much longer quarrel. Note that, since Bush toppled two governments and left two power vacuums, narco monies have been flowing to terrorists groups and warlords in Afghanistan and Iraqi oil money and American taxpayer money have also likely flowed to insurgents and terrorists in Iraq. The US taxpayer is funding wars...against ourselves. How stupid is that? You really have to have better facts and, when you obtain them, send some facts on to Karen Hughes before she opens her big mouths and embarrasses us even more. Thank you for playing.