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To: tejek who wrote (257540)	10/29/2005 5:41:30 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573785

re: That I don't get. I don't know of any liberals who are truly liberals that think we should transform the world into democracies through force. Its more likely that neocons are neither fish nor fowl but something in between. That's what's driven me crazy on this thread.... and in this country. Conservatives are, well, conservative. They don't go off half cocked trying to militarily change the world. That is so unconservative. They've been cooped by the neos. This quote really struck home--- Their complaint is that neoconservatives aren’t conservative; they’re liberals with guns. Conservatives tend to take Scowcroft’s more jaundiced view of human nature. Liberals, when it comes to nation building, fall somewhere between neo's and real conservatives... they are more prone to the idealism which leads to military intervention than the real conservatives, but much less than the wacko Neo's. So I live in a weird world... I see myself as conservative but I've got the brain dead Neo supporters calling me a liberal (day in and day out), when I see them as more liberal than you are. It's been really hard to make sense of this over the last 5 years... But I think the bottom line is that people are so stupid that they mix up Democrat/Republican with actual policy principles. At the end of the day, it's not if you have a "D" or an "R" tattooed on your forehead, it's all about the policy. John

To: tejek who wrote (257540)	10/29/2005 6:45:38 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573785

Some people trace the neocon's origin all the way back to the communist, Leon Trotsky. en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org antiwar.com amconmag.com It makes sense if you think of the neocons as a group like the Nazis, that took over the National Socialist party to seize power in Germany, although they were in no way socialists. The neocons hijacked the Republican party, although they are only in two ways for traditional Republican principles - a huge military and low taxes. The party was just a necessity in their path to power.