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To: geode00 who wrote (173630)	10/30/2005 3:43:11 AM
From: mistermj	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

BROOKS: WHY ARE DEMS SO OVERHEATED? Sat Oct 29 2005 17:15:12 ET Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald did not find evidence to prove that there was a "broad conspiracy to out a covert agent for political gain. He did not find evidence of wide-ranging criminal behavior. He did not even indict the media's ordained villain, Karl Rove," writes David Brooks in Sunday's NY TIMES. "Leading Democratic politicians filled the air with grand conspiracy theories that would be at home in the John Birch Society." "Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged? Brooks quotes from an essay written 40 years ago by Richard Hofstadter called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics." Hofstadter argued that sometimes people who are dispossessed, who feel their country has been taken away from them and their kind, develop an angry, suspicious and conspiratorial frame of mind. It is never enough to believe their opponents have committed honest mistakes or have legitimate purposes; they insist on believing in malicious conspiracies. "The paranoid spokesman," Hofstadter wrote, "sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms -- he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization." Because his opponents are so evil, the conspiracy monger is never content with anything but their total destruction." Brooks summarizes: "So some Democrats were not content with Libby's indictment, but had to stretch, distort and exaggerate. The tragic thing is that at the exact moment when the Republican Party is staggering under the weight of its own mistakes, the Democratic Party's loudest voices are in the grip of passions that render them untrustworthy."

To: geode00 who wrote (173630)	10/30/2005 9:38:57 AM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

NEWS: Poll shows Bush popularity still sliding Sun Oct 30, 5:54 AM ET news.yahoo.com WASHINGTON (AFP) - President George W. Bush's approval rating is continuing to slide, with 58 percent of those surveyed in a new poll unhappy at the way he is going his job. Thirty-nine percent gave Bush a positive rating, down from 42 percent on September 11 of this year, according to the poll by The Washington Post and ABC News. It was taken among 600 people October 28-29, as Bush's White House was rocked by a top official's indictment in a CIA leak investigation, and after the defeat of his Supreme Court pick Harriet Miers. The president's popularity has also been dented by high gasoline prices and fallout from Hurricane Katrina. Asked about ethics in Bush's administration, the poll found 64 percent believed Bush's handling of the area was fair or poor; 34 percent said they believed it was good or excellent. And 69 percent of those surveyed said Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's indictment represented a serious crime, compared to 26 percent who said it was a minor or technical crime. Libby, 55, announced his resignation after he was indicted in a case that ignited fresh controversy over the US rationale for war with Iraq. He faces one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements to FBI agents looking into the leaking of the identity of CIA agent Valery Plame. Libby faces up to 30 years in jail and a 1.25 million-dollar fine if convicted on all five counts alleged by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, which raise the prospect of a gripping and potentially politically damaging trial. Bush's political guru Karl Rove, also in Fitzgerald's sights during a two-year probe, was not indicted, but will remain under investigation, his lawyer said. Fitzgerald was given the task of finding out whether senior Bush administration officials broke the law by knowingly exposing Plame, wife of former diplomat Joseph Wilson. Wilson had claimed her cover was blown to discredit him, after he questioned whether the Bush administration had "twisted" intelligence in the push to war with Iraq.

To: geode00 who wrote (173630)	10/30/2005 5:28:02 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That has to be the most arrogant statement you've made to date. YOU are not GOD. YOU are not on a CRUSADE for GOD. You are not even on a crusade for democracy because democracies do not start illegal wars based on a pack of lies. Again.. what was illegal about this war? And if it was illegal, then why hasn't there been an impeachment? I think that people like you are breaking "intellectual law" when you make such idiotic statements like the above.. But that doesn't mean that there's a law against being an idiot. If they want peace with the Arabs then let them make their own peace. It's not up to us, it's up to the parties involved. So let me get this straight. No one should EVER intervene between two warring parties in order to promote peace and tolerance? I guess you think we should abolish our local police forces and let the "parties" (criminals and victims) work it out for themselves? After all, aren't the police acting as "gods" when they try to preserve peace and order in a civil society? Do you think we should give the United Nations the power to police the world? Or do you just prefer to let the rest of the world turn itself into a huge "Mogadishu", ruled by war lords and imperialistic dictators? Hawk