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To: Dale Baker who wrote (4882)11/3/2005 6:42:54 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541472
 
Why do you think Bush has failed to pin down lasting support from a majority of moderates and independents, as measured by numerous polls?

1 - We live in partisan polarized times (at least relative to recent US history, not compared to some other periods of our history or some other countries). Its hard for anyone to get a strong majority of either the overall population or the "moderates and independents".

2 - Iraq has been more difficult then some statements by people in the Bush administration have suggested. While Bush himself never said it would be easy or quick, his "mission accomplished" and "major combat operations are over", while in a sense technically accurate, have contributed to disappointment.

3 - In addition to any overly positive statements, or other problems Bush and his administration might have caused in terms of trying to get people to support the war; any war that drags on is likely to cause a president to lose support.

4 - Some of the "moderates and independents" care a lot about the deficit. Mainly do to increased spending the deficit has increased a noticeable amount under Bush.

5 - The response to Katrina was not as good as it could have been, and the perception of the federal response is probably even worse then the actual response.

Also interested in why you think his support among conservatives has plummeted from the 80's to 61%.

Some of the same reasons given above, in particular the deficit. Also not just the deficit but the main reason for it (spending increases) is a particular sore spot for many conservatives. Other reasons include appointing Miers who many conservatives thought a poor choice, and other disappointments where conservatives feel that Bush hasn't stood up for their ideas, or has just given the conservative ideas lip service. Also conservative support for Bush was, like his general support, unrealalistically inflated by the reaction to 9/11. There was no way Bush was going to keep those very high ratings even if he could have kept a higher rating then what he is getting now.

For another conservative's answer you can go to the column written by John O'Sullivan in the October 24th issue of National Review. He looked back at a column he wrote in 2001 ("a month or so before 9/11"). He laid out three things that he thought Bush had to get right, and gives Bush poor grades overall. The three things? 1 - Halting the advance of the regulatory state. 2 - Restoring national unity to an increasingly balkanized America. 3 - Preventing the rise of an anti-American united Europe that would divide the west.

O'Sullivan gives Bush the best marks on the first, but still not great marks. He points to a survey by James Gattuso of the Heritage Foundation that shows that GW has issued fewer regulations with a lower total cost, then his recent predecessors. But O'Sullivan also points out that Bush has a much weaker record on eliminating earlier regulations, and quotes Gattuso by point out that the burden of regulation was as high as $843 billion dollars "almost as heavy as the burden of income taxes." O'Sullivan sums up the score on this criteria with "Give credit where credit is due, Bush has a reasonably good record on regulation on deregulation as such. Unfortunately, that narrow record is dwarfed by the overall growth of government. Domestic discretionary spending has risen faster since 2001 than under any other president since LBJ and Nixon. Federal spending no accounts for over 20 percent -- and the federal deficit about 3 percent -- of America's GDP. New and expensive entitlements such as the prescription-drug benefit, will swell that spending in the future... Much of this runaway spending has been directly urged by the president. None of it has he even attempted to veto."

O'Sullivan gives Bush poor marks on the other two criteria. Summing up with "On my three tests Bush has not gained even one passing grade. If he has not actually failed, that is because the time limit has not yet run out. And with only three years to go the president has to hurry..."

What does he stand for, and why can't he galvanize a lasting majority behind his presidency?

Good questions. Bush apparently stands for lower taxes (or at least has accepted that he would lose most of his remaining support if he tried to raise taxes). He has apparently come to stand for aggressive use of US power overseas in an effort to promote democracy and combat terrorists and WMD programs in "rogue states". I could try to make a case for more, but I would be uncertain of my own case. I might have a better idea of what Bush stands for than of what Clinton or Bush Sr. stood for but I don't really have a very solid idea. As I said before he is much less of an ideological zealot then the left and some in the center, credit him with being. Its easier to say what an ideologue stands for then it is to talk about the core beliefs of someone less focused on ideology.

Why can't he galvanize a lasting majority? Well that's often a hard thing, and specifically is a hard thing in today's America. Not only are things fairly divided right now, but we don't have the type of crisis that FDR had with the Depression and then WWII which could get a lasting majority behind a whole new paradigm. Sure we have had the internet bubble collapse, and 9/11, and Iraq, but they are much smaller issues then something like the depression or WWII. Also except possibly in terms of military intervention overseas (and there are no signs of any major effort beyond Iraq and Afghanistan so this is more of a couple of particular deployments with some lip service paid to a new paradigm then a major continuing change in US security doctrine), Bush really isn't trying to take the country in a major new direction. He floated entitlement reform but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere and Bush doesn't seem to even talk about it much anymore. Also he pushed through a new entitlement program. He cut taxes, but he didn't slash them, or hold the line on spending which might have enabled future tax cuts. He reduced the rate of new regulation, but hasn't really rolled it back.

What does it mean for the 2006 midterm elections and the 2008 race?

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.
- Niels Bohr

Right now I would say the Dems would make gains in 2006, and 2008 is too soon to tell esp. because we don't know the candidates.

Is there a Bush coalition that a successor can turn to?

There are a fair number of people who have consistently supported Bush, even if they are a minority, but I don't know if I would call them a Bush coalition. They probably support him for different reasons. I don't think the majority of this support is personally tied to Bush or to new ideas that Bush has initiated or pushed far beyond their previous levels.

Tim



To: Dale Baker who wrote (4882)11/4/2005 6:24:33 AM
From: Dale Baker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541472
 
The dissatisfaction with Bush flows in part out of broad concerns about the overall direction of the country. Nearly 7 in 10 -- 68 percent -- believe the country is seriously off course, while only 30 percent are optimistic, the lowest level in more than nine years. Only 3 in 10 express high levels of confidence in Bush, while half say they have little or no confidence in this administration.

Bush's Popularity Reaches New Low
58 Percent in Poll Question His Integrity

By Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

For the first time in his presidency a majority of Americans question the integrity of President Bush, and growing doubts about his leadership have left him with record negative ratings on the economy, Iraq and even the war on terrorism, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

On almost every key measure of presidential character and performance, the survey found that Bush has never been less popular with the American people. Currently 39 percent approve of the job he is doing as president, while 60 percent disapprove of his performance in office -- the highest level of disapproval ever recorded for Bush in Post-ABC polls.

Virtually the only possible bright spot for Bush in the survey was generally favorable, if not quite enthusiastic, early reaction to his latest Supreme Court nominee, Samuel A. Alito Jr. Half of Americans say Alito should be confirmed by the Senate, and less than a third view him as too conservative, the poll found.

Overall, the survey underscores how several pillars of Bush's presidency have begun to crumble under the combined weight of events and White House mistakes. Bush's approval ratings have been in decline for months, but on issues of personal trust, honesty and values, Bush has suffered some of his most notable declines. Moreover, Bush has always retained majority support on his handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism -- until now, when 51 percent have registered disapproval.

The CIA leak case has apparently contributed to a withering decline in how Americans view Bush personally. The survey found that 40 percent now view him as honest and trustworthy -- a 13 percentage point drop in the past 18 months. Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- said they have doubts about Bush's honesty, the first time in his presidency that more than half the country has questioned his personal integrity.

The indictment Friday of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, in the CIA leak case added to the burden of an administration already reeling from a failed Supreme Court nomination, public dissatisfaction with the economy and continued bloodshed in Iraq. According to the survey, 52 percent say the charges against Libby signal the presence of deeper ethical wrongdoing in the administration. Half believe White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, the president's top political hand, also did something wrong in the case -- about 6 in 10 say Rove should resign.

Beyond the leak case, Americans give the administration low scores on ethics, according to the survey, with 67 percent rating the administration negatively on handling ethical matters, while just 32 percent give the administration positive marks. Four in 10 -- 43 percent -- say the level of ethics and honesty in the federal government has fallen during Bush's presidency, while 17 percent say it has risen.

Faced with its cascade of recent setbacks, the White House is hoping the latest court nomination can rally disaffected conservatives and score the president a victory akin to the one he enjoyed in the nomination of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. Alito begins the confirmation process with the support of 49 percent of the public, while 29 percent say he should not be confirmed, the poll found. One in 5 Americans -- 22 percent -- did not yet know enough about him to make a judgment.

The dissatisfaction with Bush flows in part out of broad concerns about the overall direction of the country. Nearly 7 in 10 -- 68 percent -- believe the country is seriously off course, while only 30 percent are optimistic, the lowest level in more than nine years. Only 3 in 10 express high levels of confidence in Bush, while half say they have little or no confidence in this administration.

Just 35 percent of those surveyed rated the economy as either excellent or good, with 65 percent describing it as not so good or poor. Although the government reported last week that gross domestic product rose 3.8 percent in the last quarter, despite the effects of Hurricane Katrina, 29 percent of those surveyed said they regard the economy as poor, the highest recorded during Bush's presidency.

Attitudes toward Bush are sharply polarized by party, as they have been throughout his presidency. Almost 8 in 10 -- 78 percent -- of Republicans support the president, while just 11 percent of Democrats rate him positively. Republicans long have been the key to Bush's overall strength, but Bush has suffered some defections since the beginning of the year, when 91 percent approved of the way he was handling his job.

Among independents, Bush's approval has plummeted since the beginning of the year. In the latest poll, 33 percent of independents approved of his performance, while 66 percent disapproved. In January, independents were evenly divided, with 49 percent approving and an equal percentage disapproving.

The intensity of Bush's support has changed since his reelection a year ago, with opponents deepening their hostility toward the administration. In the latest survey, 47 percent said they strongly disapprove of the way he was performing in office, compared with 35 percent who expressed strong disapproval in January. At the same time, the percentage who say they strongly approve of his performance has fallen from 33 percent last January to 20 percent today.

Iraq remains a significant drag on Bush's presidency, with dissatisfaction over the situation there continuing to grow and with suspicion rising over whether administration officials misled the country in the run-up to the invasion more than two years ago.

Nearly two-thirds disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation there, while barely a third approve, a new low. Six in 10 now believe the United States was wrong to invade Iraq, a seven-point increase in just over two months, with almost half the country saying they strongly believe it was wrong.

About 3 in 4 -- 73 percent -- say there have been an unacceptable level of casualties in Iraq. More than half -- 52 percent -- say the war with Iraq has not contributed to the long-term security of the United States.

The same percentage -- 52 percent -- says the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored, and only about 1 in 5 -- 18 percent -- say the United States should withdraw its forces immediately. In the week after U.S. deaths in Iraq passed the 2,000 mark, a majority of those surveyed -- 55 percent -- said the United States is not making significant progress toward stabilizing the country.

The war has taken a toll on the administration's credibility: A clear majority -- 55 percent -- now says the administration deliberately misled the country in making its case for war with Iraq -- a conflict that an even larger majority say is not worth the cost.

The president's handling of terrorism was widely regarded among strategists as the key to his winning a second term last year. But questions about Bush's effectiveness on other fronts have also depreciated this asset. His 48 percent approval now compares with 61 percent approval on this issue at the time of his second inauguration, down from a 2004 high of 66 percent.

Bush also set new lows in the latest Post-ABC News poll for his management of the economy, where disapproval topped 60 percent for the first time in his presidency. And 6 in 10 are critical of the way Bush is dealing with health care -- a double-digit increase since March. On gasoline prices, Bush's numbers have increased slightly over the past two months but still remain highly negative, with just 26 percent rating him positively.

The survey suggests a rapidly widening gulf between Bush and the American people. Two in 3 say Bush does not understand the problems of people like them, a 10 percentage point increase since January.

Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- doubt Bush shares their values, while 40 percent say he does, another new low for this president. For the first time since he took office, fewer than half -- 47 percent -- said Bush is a strong leader, and Americans divided equally over whether Bush can be trusted in a crisis.

Told of the poll results, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said Bush will rally support through such issues as education reform, changes to the tax code, and a new energy strategy to show the public that he "will continue to push for changes in our government to serve the American people."

A total of 1,202 randomly selected adults were interviewed Oct. 30-Nov. 2 for this survey. Margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus three percentage points.

Assistant polling director Claudia Deane contributed to this report.