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Technology Stocks : Qualcomm Moderated Thread - please read rules before posting -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond who wrote (48461)	11/5/2005 4:08:34 PM
From: alanrs	Respond to of 196495

Ho Ho Ho! Ha ha ha. Very funny post. I for one am perfectly happy leaving the defense of Qcom to Qcom. I believe they will do an admirable job. About the only thing the complaint has accomplished so far is to induce posters to waste a lot of bandwidth, and make me some money. ARS

To: Raymond who wrote (48461)	11/5/2005 4:45:56 PM
From: Rich Bloem	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 196495

Raymond, I suggest that you may want to check on your CDMA history. Yes, CDMA was not invented by Qualcomm. However, Qualcomm invented and pioneered the use of CDMA in a commercial cellular system when the rest of the world said it was impossible and defied the laws of physics. It is true, that others contributed IPR in the standards. However, you may want to think about the importance of (to use IDCC's analogy) the engine and transmission versus a cigarette lighter and a glove compartment. Both may be essential (because of the way the standard is written) but, the import of each is obvious. The reason Q has a higher percentage of IPR in CDMA is they basically wrote the standard when the rest of the world dragged their feet. WCDMA standards were created in an attempt to design around Q's fundamental IPR. Once they saw that the original intent was impossible, they still had what they thought was big plus by partially diluting Q's IPR position due to the adding of a cigarette lighter in the back seat, a window washer, airconditioning, etc. etc. Gawd, this post is starting to look like one of Eric's. Anyway you get my drift, I am sure. Why is it sounding like QCOM creates the CDMA2000 standard themselves.Are they alone on the 3GPP2

To: Raymond who wrote (48461)	11/5/2005 5:37:30 PM
From: slacker711	Respond to of 196495

So you really think that they created the whole CDMA standard without any IPRs from Ericsson ,Nokia and other companies. Nope, but if Nokia/Ericsson had attempted to block CDMA, I think Qualcomm there would have been a decent chance that they could have changed the standard enough to get around that IPR. We know that the equivalent isnt true for Nokia/Ericsson with respect to WCDMA. It was not the tradition in Europe to take patents on ideas that you wanted to get into the standards. Well then, that was one giant business mistake on their part. I think that something that has been forgotten over the years is that it wasnt really expected that Qualcomm was going to get the same rate for WCDMA as they were for CDMA. I (and I believe others on this thread) thought that there would be a reduced royalty rate but that Qualcomm would get its "five principles". As Eric so often points out, Q caved on their "five principles".....but in return they received a royalty rate that was higher than most people had forecasted. It actually was a compromise, though it seems that Ericsson wants to back out of that now. In the end though, the underlying fact is that Nokia and Ericsson chose to build a system that was based on Qualcomm's IPR, knowing full well what they were going to demand. If they had wanted to avoid the royalties, they should have avoided the patents. Slacker