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To: Bilow who wrote (174495)	11/7/2005 3:48:10 PM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Isn't it strange how strong the French reacted to terrorism in England and Spain? They pointed to the success of their national id cards as a sign they could keep their people in order. I find it pathetic that Chiraq is apologizing to these people for not blending them into French society more effectively. You can not bend over to these Arabs or North Africans just because they can't find work in a country to which they have no cultural identification. I don't think the press is doing enough to portray this violence as a Muslim terrorist campaign.

To: Bilow who wrote (174495)	11/7/2005 3:52:57 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

I'm not blaming the Republicans for this. Like you've said, the Democrats advocated a similar policy. The fact is that the Republicans are going to get blamed because it was a Republican president who finally pulled the damned trigger. To advocate and push for a resolution calling for regime change in Iraq is far from the same thing as what the Bush admin did (though it wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do--don't think that I am defending a "stellar" Clintonian FP, far from that). But aside from that, the Bush admin will get blamed not only for doing the deed, but for doing it in the way they did it, ignoring career military people like Shinseki and believing that war goals that involve occupying a country the size of Iraq with a population that is disposed minimally to distrust you (and at least as often to fundamentally dislike/hate you) could be achieved with a relatively small number of boots on the ground and without wholesale destruction. The Bush people were full of themselves and so drunk with visions of what the American military could do if they were ordered to do it that they fooled themselves into believed their own "Shock & Awe" and "Flowers & Dancing" stories. They didn't believe they needed anyone else except for political reasons, and that after Iraqis were shocked and awed into submission, everyone who disagreed with them would come around and gaze with admiring eyes at their wunnerful success.

To: Bilow who wrote (174495)	11/7/2005 7:13:26 PM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

likely slowly follow the trend of other dictatorships Likely ? Before 9/11 we could rely on this "likely" but after 9/11 with" likely "collusion between Sadam and Al-Queda aggressive approach is better bet.

To: Bilow who wrote (174495)	11/7/2005 9:54:22 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Have you read the ILA? Tell me what in the ILA says the Democrats were advocating the toppling of Saddam in a preempetive, unilateral attack not sanctioned by the UN based on a PACK OF LIES about nonexistent imminent threats? The Dems had 8 years. When did they invade Iraq for war profiteering? When did they invade Iraq and topple the government hoping that the Iraqis would take over and instantaneously and peacefully build a liberal country out of Iraq? When? When did the Dems advocate toppling Saddam by invasion based on manufactured evidence? When? Of course it's the fault of Republicans. It's also the fault of the spineless Dems but it's first and foremost the fault of Republicans who lied deliberately, repeatedly and without a lick of remorse to their employers, the American Public. Of course Republicans are now blaming everyone they can get their hands on. After having profited mightily from this illegal war, they now want to shift the blame to anyone but themselves. Having been caught demolishing the human intelligence of national security, Republicans don't even have the basic decency and sense of responsibility to clean house. Republicans are not just slightly to the right of Democrats, they are heinous.