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To: Lane3 who wrote (146541)	11/10/2005 6:22:52 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794259

Good luck! This argument has been done a few times in the past with little success! I agree with you and Lindy on semantic grounds, but the problem seems to be an inability for many to reconcile anything that hints of a positive trait with anything as despicable as suicide bombing or hijacking planes to fly into buildings. All sorts of connections and reasons are given that avoid the bottom line-- which is that no true coward will decide to strap on explosives or aim at a tower and look death in the face- I don't care how many virgins he's promised. Labeling the killing of innocents or not fighting mano a mano as a cowardly act within the context of war is different-- that definition I can agree with, but the act of voluntarily facing death because you believe in a cause takes a certain amount of courage. I looked all the definitions up -- again-- and still believe that to be true. But I don't think the distinction will be any more easily made than it was the last ten times it was discussed.

To: Lane3 who wrote (146541)	11/10/2005 6:37:30 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 794259

Depends how you die. Dying while taking on an armed enemy might be considered brave. But suicide while taking with you a group of unarmed innocents, including children, is not brave. It is cowardice.

To: Lane3 who wrote (146541)	11/10/2005 9:27:35 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 794259

You need to consider the murderers point of view. They believe when they pull the pin, they receive an immediate and eternal reward. To them there's no sacrifice in dying. It's all honey and wine.

To: Lane3 who wrote (146541)	11/10/2005 11:45:40 PM
From: Geoff Altman	Respond to of 794259

Kholt, you're right but somehow calling it brave, seems to give it dignity instead of being the heinous thing that it is.

To: Lane3 who wrote (146541)	11/11/2005 12:09:23 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794259

Diverted thinking, eh? And bored with it now, eh? Great... If you decided to strap on a bomb, stand in the road, and pull the plug, all by your lonesome, with no other people involved, I'd say that it was sad you felt you had to do that, but yes, you would be brave to do that. However, same scenario as above, BUT with innocent people near you, and you pulled the plug KNOWING they were around you, I'd say you were a murderer. And murderers that intentionally kill others are not brave. They are, as I said, barbaric murderers. Now, I too, am bored of the topic ....at least for now.