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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: SiouxPal who wrote (41097)	11/10/2005 11:05:54 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Soupy, I have no intention of engaging with you in a dialogue on this. I can't convince you, you can't convince me. So what's the point?

To: SiouxPal who wrote (41097)	11/10/2005 11:09:40 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

who has caused more harm to his country. Too easy! FDR and LBJ.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (41097)	11/11/2005 3:19:10 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I believe that in 2009, most "Presidential Historians" will rate Bush a 3.5 out of 10 - a failed Presidency. By, 2019 President Bush will be revised to 5.5 - because even a future Democrat President will still be engaged in Iraq. Today, even Jimmy Carter recognizes that we cannot withdraw from Iraq until their new democratic government can successfully stand on its own. By 2029, President Bush will be revised to 7.5. 20 years after Bush, there will have been 5 Presidential Administrations and comparisons can be made with less passion. I believe that eventually, GWB will eventually be considered a great or near great President and in the top 4 or 5 of all American Presidents. Yes, it may be recognized that the reasons that the Bush Administration went to war, proved to be incorrect - but they were no worse than the reasons the U.S. went into the First World War (Wilson), Vietnam(Kennedy/LBJ), Korea(Truman), why the United States went to war against Nazi Germany(FDR), the Spanish American War... In addition, Historians will look back and recognize that: 1. Crime. Violent Crime in the USA dropped to 30 year lows - also proving that increased poverty rates DO NOT RESULT IN INCREASED CRIME (levels lower than many European countries in the developed world). 2. Education. High School students achieved 30 year highs in standardized tests like the SAT test - despite greater numbers of test takers and greater participation by historically disadvantaged groups. 3. Teenaged Pregnancy. The rate of Teenage pregnancy AND teen abortion rates dropped to the lowest level in over 30 years (and the national legalization of abortion). 4. Unemployment. Despite a historic market crash, the Bush Administration was able to contain the crash to the stock markets - and the unemployment rates seen by the Bush Administration were roughly the same as Administrations he followed (Clinton, Bush, Reagan). People will look at the peak unemployment rate seen during this Administration and realize that the rate was lower than the unemployment rate seen as a result of other recessions (or depressions). 5. Markets. People will note that despite entering Office during one of the greatest financial crashes in American history, the American economy during Bush grew at higher rates than the rest of the (First World) developed world (EU or Japan). Why, for instance did a stock market crash in Japan (1989) cause a greater recession and damage the U.S. economy more than the larger U.S. stock market crash of 2000? 6. Public Debt. While the rate of public borrowing was high during Bush. It is roughly at the same level as Europe's largest economys (the French and Germans) and Japan - countries not funding a war. Also historians will note that the USA usually runs large deficits during wartime. 7. Iraq. Saddam was corrupting the UN and Sanctions thru bribery. Indeed, Saddam was a very bad man, who's actions resulted in the deaths of millions of people. And like other very bad men in power - Idi Amin, Pol Pot external forces sometimes needed to remove a man like Saddam from power. 8. Time heals.