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To: tejek who wrote (259470)	11/11/2005 11:18:44 AM
From: Taro	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573216

The Swedes lived in Minnesota in masses long before you, Ted. I demand a spot for me and my family clan right there and right now. And yes, I had an uncle who was knifed down by a killer, which adds to the legit of my demand. Taro

To: tejek who wrote (259470)	11/12/2005 9:21:17 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573216

No to all counts. However, when anyone tells me that Muslims have lived in Israel longer than Jews, I always come back with no they haven't. So there you have it. But you bring up a good point. What criteria do we use to say when a group of people deserve to have their own country? And what right do we have to make that type of decision? I've thought about this alot in the past and my conclusion is as follows. In historical times, there was plenty of land. So an acceptable way (to me) of forming a nation would have been to occupy that land with your group and then form a ruling body, military, etc, and declare yourself sovereign. Then later any available land was already taken. So how then to form a state? One way would be to buy the land from the original owners in such quantity that you have a large enough space to become somewhat self-sufficient. Then you make sure that space is occupied by your group of people. Then you form laws, a military, and declare yourself sovereign. Sound familiar? That's what the Jews did in the 20th century, although admittedly there were some wrinkles in there. The Muslims happily sold the Jews their worst land, thinking them fools. Then when they declared sovereignty in a land dominated by Muslim tribes that had no sovereignty, those Muslims didn't like it, even though they had legally sold those lands to the Jews. To that, I'd say tough shit, Muslims. You can't have your cake and eat it too.