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To: mistermj who wrote (175337)	11/19/2005 1:28:28 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It was NOT Murtha's resolution dude...It was Mr. Duncan Hunter's resolution...The NeoCON Warhawks from the GOP who control CONgress didn't allow Congress to really debate and vote on John Murtha's resolution. -s2@DoYourHomework.com

To: mistermj who wrote (175337)	11/19/2005 3:03:09 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Ugly GOP Smear Stunt Fails Its Objective by Armando Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 07:49:16 PM PDT The latest incarnation of the New McCarthyism, the ugly Duncan Hunter stunt - the so-called "Murtha" resolution - blew up in their face. The NYTimes reported that: House Republicans are attempting to split the ranks of the Democrats tonight by offering a resolution to withdraw American troops from Iraq immediately. The vote on the rule to bring the Fake Hunter Resolution to the floor for a vote passed 210-202, but every every Democratic representative who voted, voted against the rule and 5 Republicans joined the Democrats. Obviously, the Republican attempt failed. The vote itself was unimportant substantively. But politically, it blew up in their faces. The signature moment was, of course, the ugly attack on Murtha's character by Rep. Jean Schmidt - who called a decorated war veteran a coward. That said it all. Republicans Walter Jones and Rick Renzi, along with the Democrats, spoke in defense of the character and patriotism of Murtha. By the end, the Republicans were denying that the resolution had anything to do with Murtha. Before they were labelling it the "Murtha Amendment." The naked attack on dissent, this New McCarthyism, has been thoroughly discredited. In short, the Republicans went after the wrong Marine. This is an Open Thread to discuss the one hour debate that will now commence on the Fake Hunter Resolution. Update [2005-11-18 21:56:28 by Armando]: Henry Hyde opens the debate by praising John Murtha as a "great American." Think that is what they had in mind when this started? Update [2005-11-18 22:6:7 by Armando]: The Associated Press, again demonstrating the value of "editors, gets the facts completely wrong, and says that the House is voting on Murtha's Resolution. Honest to God, how do these people look themselves in the mirror. Please e-mail them, here is the page, and let them know we are well aware of their incompetence. Update [2005-11-18 22:34:30 by Armando]: So now Murtha is a "giant" of the House. And now, an honorable debate seems to have ensued. Honestly, that is all anyone can ask for. And an honest debate on the Iraq Debacle is not exactly what Hastert and Hunter had in mind. But it is what the country needs. Update [2005-11-18 22:53:2 by Armando]: GOP Rep. Geoff Davis - Wanker of the Day.

To: mistermj who wrote (175337)	11/19/2005 9:06:47 AM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The GOP political stunt failed miserably. But that's what you get from GOP COWARDLY CHICKEN hawks like these. Military Service Records, prominent Republicans * Dick Cheney: did not serve. Five deferments, the last by marriage. * Dennis Hastert: did not serve. * Tom Delay: did not serve. * Roy Blunt: did not serve. * Bill Frist: did not serve. * Mitch McConnell: did not serve. * Rick Santorum: did not serve. * Trent Lott: did not serve. * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve. * Karl Rove: did not serve. * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism. * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. * Vin Weber: did not serve. * Richard Perle: did not serve. * Douglas Feith: did not serve. * Eliot Abrams: did not serve. * Richard Shelby: did not serve. * John Kyl: did not serve. * Tim Hutchison: did not serve. * Christopher Cox: did not serve. * Newt Gingrich: did not serve. * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty. * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. * B-1 Bob Dornan: Enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. * Phil Gramm: did not serve. * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. * John M. McHugh: did not serve. * JC Watts: did not serve. * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years. * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. * George Pataki: did not serve. * Spencer Abraham: did not serve. * John Engler: did not serve. * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. Pundits & Preachers * Sean Hannity: did not serve. * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. * Michael Savage: did not serve. * George Will: did not serve. * Chris Matthews: did not serve. * Paul Gigot: did not serve. * Bill Bennett: did not serve. * Pat Buchanan: did not serve. * John Wayne: did not serve. * Bill Kristol: did not serve. * Kenneth Starr: did not serve. * Antonin Scalia: did not serve. * Clarence Thomas: did not serve. * Ralph Reed: did not serve. * Michael Medved: did not serve. * Charlie Daniels: did not serve. * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)

To: mistermj who wrote (175337)	11/19/2005 9:44:22 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Even Murtha didn't advocate an immediate complete pullout. His plan was to have all the troops gone in six months. The whole thing was just Repugnicans playing politics with the war and the lives of the troops. The debate is joined! Do you know how long it took for this debate to even start during Vietnam? As Murtha said, the American people are WAY ahead of the politicians on this. The people will force the pols to do the right thing, and they will, or be voted out of office.