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To: Ilaine who wrote (5524)	11/20/2005 7:32:31 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541902

The vote was so lopsided because it was a Republican stunt that the Democrats weren't going to dignify with an honest vote. If you are negotiating with someone about an issue and they make an offer that you clearly know is a sarcastic, insulting taunt, are you going to fight it out over that proposal or find a way to let everyone know that it is childish and meaningless? Like dismiss it with contempt yourself? Certain groups may think there is really not much support for a timely withdrawal, but they are in for a shock as the polls go against them in the runup to the 2006 midterms, I would guess. The issue is to important to consign to political theater and cheap tricks. We shall see.

To: Ilaine who wrote (5524)	11/20/2005 8:39:51 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541902

I think it was actually brilliant street theater by the Republicans. Wonder what brainiac thought of it. Because only 3 people were willing to vote for immediate withdrawal -- which is incredible. It was total cynicism on the part of the Republican Party. They think that the American People are so stupid that they don't see through this cheap little trick. They think that the American people will just let go by the cheap remarks about Congressman Murtha's courage and patriotism. This goes for Bob Woodward also. He thinks he can get away with lying and obstruction of justice. Woodward however, imo, will get away with it. He is not going to go to jail for trying to fool the American people. He is posing as an aggressive journalist but is really using that as a cover to be a player in the political landscape. He clearly lied to the American people when he gave his opinions on the special prosecutor - calling him names, and dismissing his activities - all the while he was party to the cover up. I don't see how the Republican party is going to get away with spinning away the tragedy and gross (if not criminal - not in a legal sense any way) mishandling of the Iraq occupation. Woodward will get away with his dirty doings, but he is relatively a small but nonetheless smelly fish.

To: Ilaine who wrote (5524)	11/20/2005 9:12:42 AM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 541902

Does anybody know what Howard Dean thinks about Friday's vote? Well, one has to assume that Dean thinks first. My impression is that he emotes, growls, screams and yells, but does precious little actual thinking other than whatever is necessary to get him through the day. And you'll never know what he thinks when tested because he refuses to debate any GOP opponents in public. So, anything Dean "thinks" is a bit of an enigma, but one can safely surmise that if the GOP is for it, he's against it. And vice versa. I love Dean. An original, a colorful Yankee pol, yes, I know that's an oxymoron, just like the ones we make down here. And just as nationally ineffective. Best thing to happen to the GOP since the Hollywood crowd decided that their access to public exposure equalled brains and wisdom..