To: arun gera who wrote (2382 ) 11/23/2005 5:09:56 PM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 218642 <Now Indians and Chinese companies are starting to invent new things and hiring Americans and others, when they need them. > While Americans whine about "their jobs" being outsourced to India [as though jobs are "owned" by the employee], I note Toyota is expanding production in the USA while General Motors is closing SUV and other factories. Japan is outsourcing to cheap Americans. Fisher & Paykel is outsourcing production of dishwashers and other things to the USA too [a NZ whiteware company] to cut costs to retailers. It's a fascinating, swirling, globalisation, with the poor being upgraded out of "self-reliant" xenophobic nationalistic poverty. Belgium, Singapore and Hong Kong long ago grew wealthy on foreign capital and expertise. Others are figuring it out now too. <Chinese are doing it for 2-5 percent of their monthly income and a much higher proportion of their disposable income. > I've always said that Microsoft should be grateful that so many people stole their software. That made it the industry standard. If MSFT had been able to stop all theft, I suspect that their development would have been much slower. That process is now recognized by many software makers who give away a low-end version of software, perhaps including some advertizing in it, such as Eudora, which I use, which attracts wealthier and high-end users to pay for the premium versions. QUALCOMM has recognized that poor people need a leg-up by allowing China a minuscule 2.6% [or thereabouts] royalty on CDMA for domestic production and 7% [or thereabouts] for export. That way, locals can buy really cheap CDMA and get into the mobile cyberspace era. Pretty soon they'll be upgrading to $1000 cyberphones with all mod cons included, such as MediaFLO, BREW, Eudora2Go, gpsOne and all the other goodies. As you say, theft is popular everywhere, not just in China. New Zealand has become an outright bludger society and will continue to go down the gurgler while bludger mentality remains. But it is funny in China dealing with the locals. I'm sure there are some honest ones, but I didn't find them. Until they upgrade their attitudes I doubt that they'll do well. Dishonesty isn't the best way to live. Not that they have a monopoly on dishonesty. One can find it everywhere. I suspect there is a pretty good correlation of GDP per capita with honesty per capita. No, the USA "rampaging through Iraq" isn't theft. They aren't stealing the oil. Comparing Genghis and USA in Iraq is silly. Yes, they both used military force. Adolf's and Japan's invasions and Genghis's invasions are more comparable. <This verse was probably used to get ordinary men to sacrifice their lives. > Still a very popular idea. Citizens are expected to enthusiastically pay their taxes "for the greater good" - giggle. Amazingly, most of them fall for it. Then wonder why they lead blighted lives. Serfdom and having "strong" leaders is built into our DNA, developing not far from chimpanzee societies which also have strong leaders with bosses having first choice of everything. Mqurice