To: Geoff Altman who wrote (715330 ) 11/29/2005 11:36:58 PM From: ChinuSFO Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 769667 First of all, Islam and democracy do not go hand in hand. Fundamentally, democracy deals with how we interact with each other as a society, the individual rights, etc. etc. Religion, on the other hand, requires us to give up a part of that uniqueness/individuality. I think the founding fathers of this nation realized the oxymoronness of democracy and religion and hence strongly advocated separation of church and religion. They did not want to mix water with oil since doing so will get us neither. Islam on the other hand kept both these intertwined through the sharia. So that should explain why Islamic countries are not that democratic. Now onto the question of winning the war. Consider a boxer in the ring who did not prepare himself well before entering the ring. The boxer had no plan going into the ring. Great football coaches have the first 15 plays scripted and that is their plan. Bush had no such thing. So in the face missing the goal and drifting into nothingness as is happening in Iraq, it is best to have a "tactical withdrawl" not a retreat as the Bushies are making it out to be (after all you couldn't expect anything better from them). Subsequently, Bush needs to launch a diplomatic offensive to convince nations like Germany, France, Spain, India, Egypt and Russia to come together to fight to keep Iraq terrorist free. If the Iraqis cannot defend themselves, then let a international force guarantee the safety of Iraq. This is not a retreat but making other nations also a part of keeping this world terror free. In the days following 9/11, Bush squandered a chance for victory against war or terrorism. Now he can save himself the humiliation of defeat by moving aggressively to involve all the nations of the world. America cannot win this war alone as is becoming evident everyday.