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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: ChinuSFO who wrote (715806)11/30/2005 1:36:55 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
"Now onto the question of winning the war. Consider a boxer in the ring who did not prepare himself well before entering the ring. The boxer had no plan going into the ring."

Ok, that would be an interesting thing to discuss if it were relevant to anything in current events. Are you intoxicated with Democrat talking points? Or do you believe as an article of the liberal religion that the United States entered the effort to liberate Iraq without a plan?

"Great football coaches have the first 15 plays scripted and that is their plan."

Great football coaches have a set of strategies and tactics. They recognize when their script becomes predictable and adapt and change. That being said, there have been a handful of great generals in every century Rommel paired off against Patten. Hannibal. Nimitz. Julius Caesar. Robert E. Lee who was outmanned and outgunned, he was not out thought. I do not see evidence that the Armed forces are being lead by such a person at the current time.

Average generals are unable to recover as quickly from the inevitable mistakes made in war. Lesser military leaders do not execute feints as well either.

"Bush had no such thing."

That is an ill informed remark. See both points above and remember when you reconsider the second one that President Bush is not a general and is intelligent enough to leave that to the professionals.

"in the face missing the goal and drifting into nothingness as is happening in Iraq, it is best to have a "tactical withdrawl" not a retreat as the Bushies are making it out to be (after all you couldn't expect anything better from them). "

Inflammatory remark aptly demonstrating you ar3e an adept of Democrat talking points. Nothing more.

"Bush needs to launch a diplomatic offensive to convince nations like Germany, France, Spain, India, Egypt and Russia to come together to fight to keep Iraq terrorist free."

More democrat talking points. Well, actually Kerry campaign literature being recycled. Face it, you guys lost the election with that strategy. Recycling it won't gain you any more converts.

"If the Iraqis cannot defend themselves, then let a international force guarantee the safety of Iraq. This is not a retreat but making other nations also a part of keeping this world terror free."

Did you notice the Oil For Bribery Scandal that Iraq and the UN foisted off on the world as a result of thinking like that?

"In the days following 9/11, Bush squandered a chance for victory against war or terrorism."

Pray, tell us what grand tactic you would have used to achieve this stunning success if you had been in control?

"Now he can save himself the humiliation of defeat by moving aggressively to involve all the nations of the world."

Huh? Do you advocate releasing thieves, murderers and drug addicts from prison to solve crime problems too? Inviting the criminal bribed nations like France, Germany, Russia, China and the rest that stole from the Iraqi people in the Oil For Security Council Veto Scandal is a parallel thesis to opening prison gates to solve crime problems.

FWIW - We have recent information on what happens when you let all of the criminals go. Saddam did it as an end game. Iraq devolved into a predictable anarchy. The predictable anarchy of criminality helped occupy allied forces to allow Saddam and his loyalists additional time. The real criminals in Iraq have largely been apprehended.

"America cannot win this war alone as is becoming evident everyday."

This is propaganda being foisted on the weak minded by the anti American media. It does not relate to actual current events.

In August a great man said, "As Iraq forces stand up, American forces will stand down." That is the way the liberation of Iraq is going.



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (715806)11/30/2005 5:53:16 AM
From: tonto  Respond to of 769667
 
What is evident is that you know nothing about war.



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (715806)11/30/2005 8:20:00 AM
From: Geoff Altman  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
First of all, Islam and democracy do not go hand in hand.

Hey Chin, that may be the first time you've actually gotten something right!

Jihad at San Francisco State
By Lee Kaplan
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 8, 2004

Chris Finarelli could barely believe his own eyes last Wednesday. As Vice President of the College Republican Club at
San Francisco State University, Finarelli showed up at the student union building that morning to help table and distribute literature to solicit new club members after President Bush’s victory the previous election day. What he found was a noisy and menacing mob of over 300 Palestinian, Arab, Muslim and radical leftist students surrounding his club’s table being held back by 13 San Francisco State police officers. The police officers were forced to surround the CR’s table both in front and in back in order to protect the conservative students’ safety.

The previous Monday, the day before the election, the CR’s were physically attacked while handing out Bush/Cheney materials in the University’s Malcolm X Plaza. On that day, Victor Traycey, one of the members of the conservative club, was slapped by Nala Gardizi, an Arab woman student who was part of an entourage led by four Palestinian women who accused the conservative students of being responsible for the “murder of Palestinian babies” due to their support for President Bush. In addition, food was thrown at the Republican college students and drinks poured over the campaign materials on their table. Gardizi harangued Victor Traycey that day and even called him “a Nazi,” according to eye-witness reports.

Lee Wolf, another College Republicans member, described one of the women on Monday as shouting, “The only way we can defeat you is to kill as many as possible! I’d rather die a suicide bomber’s death than to call myself an American!” He continued, “In my opinion, these were terrorist threats.”

On Wednesday, Gardizi was back. “She was ranting that 9/11 was the fault of the United States,” according to Finarelli.

The General Union of Palestinian Students (GUPS) at S.F. State was staging this noisy demonstration on Wednesday as a follow-up to their Monday afternoon attack on the conservative students by calling for the complete removal of the Republican Club from the SFSU campus. Flyers were even distributed all over campus that bore inscriptions such as “Don’t Let the College Republicans Commit Racism and Bigotry Against Arab Women.”

Other flyers claimed that the College Republican Club was run by “bigots and racists.”

SFSU President Robert Corrigan took no action against the GUPS or individual students involved in Monday’s assault despite police eye-witnesses and even photographs of the perpetrators. Nor were the GUPS told not interfere with the ability of the College Republicans to exercise their rights of free speech. In fact, during the earlier attack on Monday, the police asked the College Republicans if they would leave rather than arresting their attackers.

“They were all around us wearing black and white keffiyahs like Arafat wears,” said Finarelli about Wednesday’s latest assault.

Derek Wray, another member of the CR’s, commented that people had been spying on meetings of the College Republicans for weeks prior to the election and questioned if what was happening had not been planned in advance to remove the conservative group from the campus. He mentioned that his chapter of the College Republicans was on one of the most radicalized campuses in America. Lee Wolfe commented that the demonstrators all had new PLO flags that were neatly folded and unused, as if they had just been brought for a specific purpose.

“We don’t even deal with the Israel/Palestinian dispute that much in our discussions and materials,” Wray said. “We don’t even have any Jewish members as far as I know, although we do promote a conservative political agenda.” Wray also told me how a female member of the College Republicans received a threat during the demonstration. “Watch what happens when the police aren’t around, b---h!” he said someone menaced.

“We’re going to the police again to ask for protection. They say they’re going to have another demonstration and drive us off campus.”

Another member of the SFSU College Republicans who was present at the demonstrations also told me he has received death threats since the incident and wished to remain anonymous out of fear.

Finarelli further described what happened: “At one point, one student jumped up on an adjacent table and shouted, ‘We’re going to gather thousands of people and show them what we’re all about!’ And then he directed a remark at a campus police officer by shouting, ‘Did you hear that, you f---ing pig!?’” Students were urged to strike by not attending classes and marched around campus seeking to increase their numbers. “But they never got into the thousands like they said they would. At least by marching they gave us a bit of a breather,” Wolf said.

Ellen Griffin, a media spokeswoman for SFSU, described Wednesday’s demonstration as an “unauthorized event” that occurred spontaneously on the campus. She also claimed the GUPS maintained they were not involved in Monday’s attack. A call by this reporter to the GUPS office on campus went unanswered. An additional call to Nala Gardizi only netted an answering machine.

Other descriptions of signs carried at the “spontaneous” event bore such inscriptions as

“Zionism is Hitler,” “Bush is Hitler,” “Racists and Murderers Off Campus,” “Republicans Off Campus,” and also “RepubliKKKans Off Campus.”

Although the GUPS were supposedly present at this demonstration and denied culpability for the earlier attacks on the CR’s, they offered no condemnation of such attacks. They were also joined by radical activists from groups like Students Against War and International Answer.

When I asked Ellen Griffin for a membership list of the GUPS to identify members by photos taken at the scene, she maintained the University does not have full membership lists of clubs on campus, only of officers. However, Finarelli maintains the University has such lists, that they are required to instate any clubs and that the GUPS have a permanent office in the student union that requires such a list to allow for entry.

Campus President Robert Corrigan has a lackluster reputation for meting out discipline to the GUPS despite an earlier attack on Jewish students during a pro-Israel rally at SFSU when the off campus city police needed to be called in to protect Jewish students and escort them to safety. Corrigan did suspend the GUPS for one year, but did not require them to relinquish their office on campus to other active campus student groups. In addition, a Jewish student, Tatiana Menaker, was equally “disciplined” by the administration for responding to her tormentors. Her punishment, as signed off on by Corrigan’s administration, was 40 hours of community service, but it stipulated that no such public service could be performed for Jewish organizations. Ellen Griffin told this reporter that Victor Traycey, one of the College Republicans, although he was slapped by Ms.Gardizi, would also be facing the same disciplinary hearing and potential punishment as his attacker despite his being the victim of a physical assault. Such disciplinary procedures can harm a student’s academic career.

Ms. Gardizi filed a police report in which she alleged she was attacked by Traycey; however, several witnesses at the scene say they saw Ms.Gardizi instigate the violence and the police report says she had to be restrained and removed by the other three Arab women who approached the table. Both Traycey and Gardizi declined to press any criminal charges.

Calls to President Corrigan and Campus Police Chief Kimberly Wible for comments were both referred to Ellen Griffin’s office.

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (715806)11/30/2005 8:34:27 AM
From: Geoff Altman  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
First of all, Islam and democracy do not go hand in hand.

That's a bunch of crap. Why don't you qualify a statement when it needs it. It should say, Islamic Fundamentalism and democracy don't go hand in hand.

Subsequently, Bush needs to launch a diplomatic offensive to convince nations like Germany, France, Spain, India, Egypt and Russia to come together to fight to keep Iraq terrorist free.

You're still not getting it. All of these countries are having problems INTERNALLY with the large populations of muslims they have. The last thing any of them want to do is to enrage their OWN populations of muslims by aiding the US in any way shape or form. This should be readily apparent to anyone. All you need do is to look at Spain, an erstwhile coalition partner of ours in this venture.

Now he can save himself the humiliation of defeat by moving aggressively to involve all the nations of the world.

I note the above.