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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: sea_urchin who wrote (9453)12/12/2005 9:36:11 AM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 22250
 
Wars may well expand further, but the more the more things escalate the sooner the backlash IMHO.

BTW I find it surprising that you argue that 9/11 was basically a Zionist plot.

Correct me if I am wrong but have you not argued for many years that the idea that CBs were conspiring to suppress gold was an absurd conspiracy theory? Frankly I find that a much more credible idea that wrings truer every day.



To: sea_urchin who wrote (9453)12/13/2005 3:54:36 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Re: Who knows, maybe even the explosion at the British oil storage depot last week will be "found" to be the work of Syria or Iran?

"...found to be a terrorist act"?!? LOL... Didn't Scotland Yard clue you in?

Police officers - including anti-terrorist detectives - are investigating the disaster, but say there is "nothing to suggest" it was anything other than an accident.
[...]
news.bbc.co.uk

You know, Searle, Scotland Yard's crack sleuths keep baffling me... I mean, ever since the oil depots blew up, nobody --be they firefighters, military emergency units, police experts, journalists, Total engineers,...-- just NOBODY has been able to get close to the inferno's precincts. Because of the intense heat and fumes, nobody's been able to get closer than 500 yards from the blaze. And yet they can tell us with absolute certainty that it wasn't a terrorist bombing, not even an arson!!! I really admire their "remote disaster-probing" skills!

Now, as regards the possibility of Iranian or Syrian intelligence to pull off such a terrorist coup, I admit that I too hesitated between Iran and Israel. Indeed, it would make sense for Iran to fire a preemptive/warning shot against the EU troika (France, Britain and Germany) to dissuade it from bullying Iran out of nuclear enrichment... But then, I said to myself, let's be serious: ever since the London bombings, UK counterintelligence has been beefed up and prioritized against "ugly Arabs". So, I just can't believe Iranian intelligence was able to hatch such a devastating attack against one of Britain's most closely protected assets. Another clue that prompted me to discount Iran is the French AZF prequel in tempore non suspecto (as far as Iran is concerned, that is):

News Note: French Chemical Plant Explosion Kills At Least 29

On September 21, 2001, an agricultural chemical plant exploded in Toulouse, France’s fourth largest city. The explosion damaged buildings as far as three miles away and spewed acid clouds into the air. Days after the blast, 29 people were reported dead, 10 missing, approximately 800 hospitalized and more than 2,500 injured.

The AZF plant produced ammonium nitrate and other agricultural chemicals. Days after the explosion, environmental inspectors announced that most of the ammonia and other gases released into the air had dispersed. However, officials warned nearby towns and villages not to drink tap water because the plant had contaminated the nearby Garonne River.

The AZF chemical works, situated on a 40- acre site near Toulouse’s one million inhabitants, is Europe’s third-largest and France’s largest manufacturer of fertilizers and other agricultural chemicals. Built in 1924, it was later modernized and bought by the oil and chemical conglomerate Total-Fina-Elf -- the world’s fourth-largest oil group.

The AZF plant, where 470 people work, is among 372 sites in France classified under a European Union directive as high-risk, meaning that extra security precautions must be taken. The high-risk designation, officially named "Seveso," was put in place after a 1976 chemical disaster in the Italian village of Seveso, where a pharmaceutical factory malfunctioned, producing a toxic cloud containing dioxin.

Toulouse’s mayor as well as other residents question how the petrochemical plant, classified as "high risk," came to be so close to the edge of a large city.

Experts said that even a very large stock of ammonium nitrate is not a problem as long as it is kept dry and cool. If it gets humid it can heat up and ferment, leading to spontaneous combustion. But chemists also explained that fertilizer, while commonly available as plant food, can also serve as an explosive.

The exact cause the explosion is unknown. Some parties speculate that it was an accident, some the result of negligence, and still others think that it was a deliberate act. Toulouse’s city prosecutor has ordered a judicial inquiry into the disaster.

Sources: CCN.com, September 21, 2001; The New York Times, September 25, 2001.
panna.org



To: sea_urchin who wrote (9453)12/13/2005 4:33:30 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 22250
 
Footnote to my previous post:

Firefighters from five counties began the assault on the blaze at 8.20am yesterday, some 26 hours after the explosion, which was heard 100 miles away.

Excerpted from:
guardian.co.uk



To: sea_urchin who wrote (9453)12/13/2005 6:04:43 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 22250
 
Just see how Judeofascists' frustration at Europe is growing:

December 12, 2005, 8:37 a.m.
Israel vs. Iran
Can the international community get in on this fight?

By Saul Singer


What a perfect arrangement: The only country that every country has a right to condemn can be relied upon to do the world's dirty work. This is the underlying mindset as the West contemplates a nuclear Iran.

When push comes to shove, the Israeli air force will take care of the problem, so the world can go into spasms of righteous indignation while enjoying the fireworks.

There are, however, a number of flies in the ointment of this convenient scenario. Journalists and policymakers, like generals, tend to fight the last war, so everyone has in mind the 1981 Osirak operation, where Israel dealt a fatal blow to Saddam Hussein's dreams of mass destruction by destroying his nuclear reactor. But the Iranians are not idiots, and they have taken into account the possibility of an Israeli air strike in designing their program.

A new report by the U.S. Army War College, with a chapter on Israel drafted by former IDF Brig.-Gen. Shlomo Brom, finds that Israel cannot launch a sustained air campaign that will reliably destroy a series of hardened, well-defended, and dispersed targets. In order to avoid the airspace of intermediate countries, Israeli aircraft would have to fly more than 900 miles — refueling over the Red Sea and Indian Ocean.

But let's say, by some miracle, it could be done. And let's even say, as Brom speculates, that Iran would not be able to tell Hezbollah to launch the thousands of missiles pointed at Israel's north because Israel would retaliate against Syria, possibly toppling that regime.

Still, the question remains, why is little Israel being left to fight the world's war? The answer is not just that life's unfair. The real answer is that the enlightened post-modern European refusal to lift a finger — let alone a gun — to defend itself is consigning us all to a dark age of terrorism and war.

The irony here is that it is precisely those who claim to believe most in a borderless world ruled by international law who are ushering in a new Hobbesian era. How is one to explain Europe's obsession with the United Nations on the one hand, and its emasculation of the principles on which that organization was founded?

If Europe, through the U.N. and in partnership with the U.S., simply followed the U.N. Charter, we would be living in a very different world today. That charter (Ch. 1, Art. 1, Para. 1, first sentence) states the U.N.'s purpose: "To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace..." (emphasis added).

Does this ring any bells? Is there a state that is a greater threat to international peace than Iran? How much terrorism does a state have to sponsor, how many member states does it have to threaten with destruction, and how far does it have to get in obtaining the ultimate means to carry out such threats before the collective obligations of free nations under the Charter are remembered?

The nations that wrap themselves most tightly in international law are actually those responsible for turning that law, and its aspirations for the world, into a dead letter. As in the case of Iraq, by refusing to join the U.S. in effective non-military collective action against Iran, Europe is making military action or an Iranian victory inevitable.

It is in this context that I found it difficult to watch European ambassadors placing a wreath on the spot where a suicide bomber killed five Israelis, including 38-year-old Eliya Rozen, outside a mall in Netanya. On Tuesday, at his wife's funeral, Gadi Rozen spoke of their three childrens' questions when he told them their mother was dead. Roi, the five-year-old asked, "Who will be my mother?"

What wreath will these ambassadors lay if Israel gets hit by a nuclear weapon? Or if Israelis are killed in a war to destroy Iran's nuclear program? Or if 9/11s continue to multiply, including in Europe, because al Qaeda enjoys the tailwind that a nuclear Iran would bring?

Perhaps it is pointless to appeal to European sympathies for Israel when these same nations won't even defend themselves. Most bizarre, however, is that Europe, by refusing to impose draconian sanctions on Iran, is guaranteeing either a huge victory for the terror network or military action by the US or Israel. In other words, under the cloak of international law, Europe is bringing either the aggression of its enemies or unilateralist defensive actions of exactly the sort it claims to most want to prevent.

Those diplomats, no doubt, had the best of intentions. But with all due respect, spare us the wreaths. Join us and defend yourselves. We are not your hired hitmen; don't depend on us to save you. Take your beloved international law seriously and throw the book at Iran.

It may not be too late, with common will, to force Iran to back down without firing a shot. And if it is too late for peaceful means, that shot should be fired together, legally, in the name of international peace and security.

Saul Singer is editorial-page editor of the Jerusalem Post and author of Confronting Jihad: Israel's Struggle and the World After 9/11. This piece first appeared in the Jerusalem Post and is reprinted with permission.

nationalreview.com

Of course, what Judeofascist Saul Singer conveniently omits in his anti-European diatribe is that the US too is not gung-ho about extending the war to Iran, part of the reason being that the Judeocon cabal can no longer threaten G.W. Bush to wreck the latter's reelection.... Somehow, Saul Singer unwittingly blurted out Israel's cunning, if covert, tactics: to compel the US to handle Iran AND, at the same time, neutralize Europe with devastating terrorist attacks like Hemel Hempstead, the London bombings and AZF. And the best way for Israel to get the US war machine on the frontline against Iran is to get rid of Dubya --Oh, btw, just look at Newsweek's current edition:

msnbc.msn.com

How come such a prominent Zionist mouthpiece as Newsweek dares to ridicule the Commander-in-Chief at this hour? Perhaps we should construe it as a way to psych US opinion into Bush's impending removal??? Remember how Nixon was smeared in his last days in office: he was branded a psycho, a control freak, a paranoid living in a bubble... until they pricked the bubble!

Gus