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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (151405)	12/17/2005 3:54:47 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793743

I agreed with Rush twice today: U.S. Senate Fails to Renew Patriot Act, Restores Conditions That Led to 9/11 December 16, 2005 rushlimbaugh.com BEGIN TRANSCRIPT RUSH: The 16 provisions of the Patriot Act that go by the wayside since the Patriot Act was -- it technically wasn't voted down (story). There was a filibuster attempt. The Patriot Act itself never came up to a vote. They had a cloture vote to try to kill a filibuster. They couldn't get 60. (Vote total) They got 52. So we're not going to vote on the Patriot Act, which is the same thing as voting against it. A lot of really yellow-bellied Republicans joined this effort, aided in no small part by this bogus New York Times story today. Schumer and Durbin cited this story in the New York Times about the NSA spying on Americans as a reason they couldn't vote for this anymore, and we'll look at McCain's definition of torture as spelled out for us by Max Boot. He's a columnist at the Los Angeles Times. But here, let me get started with the Patriot Act just so you know what's up to speed. Sixteen provisions of the USA Patriot Act expire December 31st, now, and I'll just give you some of them: "Section 203(b) permits the sharing of grand jury information that involves foreign intelligence or counter-intelligence with federal law enforcement intelligence protective immigration, national defense or national security officials." In other words, that is a part of the Patriot Act that goes away. Does that sound familiar? You know what just get's re-erected? The Gorelick wall! The same thing that prevented us from being able to "connect the dots" prior to 9/11 goes back into effect on January 1st, because that provision's dead, the provision that permits the sharing of grand jury information that involves foreign intelligence or counter-intelligence with federal law enforcement, federal intelligence, protective immigration, national defense or national security officials. That's gone. So now anything learned by one agency can't be shared with another. Thanks to the Gorelick wall. It's back. "Section 206 allows federal officials to issue roving John Doe wiretaps for spy and anti-terrorism investigations." That's gone. "Section 207 increases the amount of time that federal officials may watch people they suspect are spies or terrorists." That's gone. "Section 209 permits the seizure of voice mail messages under a warrant." That's gone. "Section 212 permits Internet service providers and other electronic communications and remote computing service providers to hand over records and e-mails to federal officials in emergency situations." That's gone. "Section 215 authorizes federal officials to obtain tangible items like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations." That is gone. "Section 217 makes it lawful to intercept the wire or electronic communication of a computer hacker or intruder in certain circumstances." Computer hackers will now be, once again, protected because that provision is gone. "Section 220 provides for nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence." That's gone. "Section 225 amends FISA," this is the court, "to prohibit lawsuits against people or companies that provide information to federal officials for a terrorism investigation." That's gone. So the Patriot Act has essentially been killed and we're going to go back to the same intel conditions that existed prior to 9/11, thanks to the Democrats in the Senate and a few sap Republicans -- and we are taking names and we know who they are and if any of these people think that this is the kind of thing that's going to get them reelected, they have another thing coming.

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (151405)	12/17/2005 4:14:48 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793743

No, I am just a private citizen. I take a genuine interest in what is going on though. The invasion of Iraq was maybe inspired by 911, but 911 was not of Saddams doing. A fact plain and simple. I'm not sure where the septic tank is, except it is overdue for cleaning. Some of my recent posts on Iraq. Message 21975306 Message 21954757 OK I am supportive of the democratic process over there, my point is the whole invasion thing was not necessary or a good thing for the Iraqi people. More on that subject... Message 21954903 You are welcome to look into the context of any of my posts. One of the positive aspects of SI.