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To: Bilow who wrote (178626)	12/22/2005 9:21:23 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The way to combat terrorism is through police action. Ah yes.. the "terrorism is crime" argument... Well Carl, you might want to listen to the terrorists. THEY don't believe they are criminals. They believe they are SOLDIERS waging a guerilla war in which they make THEIR OWN RULES... They can't be criminals if they never have a cognizance that the laws being enforced by police pertain to them. I suggest you read "Modern Warfare". www-cgsc.army.mil (PS: and just ignore how Trinquier condones the use of physical torture against captured terrorists because we're not doing that HONEST.. WE'RE NOT!!). The police are ILL-EQUIPPED to deal with uncovering and terminating an active, well-established terrorist cell network. It requires military interaction to take down that network. However, there are similarities between human intelligence activities and the use of police confidential informants. What you are trying to do here is effectively IGNORE the fact that the terrorists are at war with us and will do ANYTHING they need to do to wage that war, including sacrificing their lives for their cause. Criminals, on the other hand, will do anything they can get away with, so long as it doesn't cost them their lives while doing it (doing prison time is just the risk of their line of work.. but they don't want to die). Do you think 11 million people would have decided to exercise their right to vote in Iraq were it left merely to the Iraqi police to wage the counter-terrorist battle here? Highly unlikely... Hawk

To: Bilow who wrote (178626)	12/26/2005 9:35:53 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl, here is a post from Ihub that may interest you. I wonder what our very own contractor would say to it. speaking of contractors and the shell game that has them stepping in to take on tasks that otherwise would be performed by uniformed troops, in addition to permitting the government to claim it's reducing the U.S. occupying presence, it also enables the military to reduce to official dead and wounded count. When we count dead, it's not just Iraqi civilians whom the media doesn't give a rip about bothering to report, it's ALL civilians. A guy on the military payroll gets killed it's a p.r. disaster. But train a civilian contractor to do his job, send the uniformed military guy home, and the civilian contrator gets killed doing the same job in a combat zone, paid by the same U.S. government to do it (albeit the cash is passed through a 3rd party corporation), and suddenly you've got a death that "doesn't count". If we counted those numbers, we'd have close to another 500 dead added to the body count, as well as another 4,000 wounded. BTW, all told we've got somewhere between 80,000 and 100,000 civilian contractors in Iraq and crossing back and forth to Iraq. realcities.com As you would suspect. The more troops are replaced with outsourced "civilian" substitutes, the more the troop dead and wounded number will drop and the more the "civilian" number will rise. "In the first 21 months of the war, 11 contractors were killed and 74 injured each month on average. This year, the monthly average death toll is nearly 20 and the average monthly number of injured is 243." The American public is clueless about this shell game. More here on the fallout from the shell game. corpwatch.org