To: LindyBill who wrote (152368 ) 12/22/2005 6:12:43 PM From: The Philosopher Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793925 P, you problem is that you are trying to "prove" the existence of God. People have been trying to do that for centuries. Can't be done. Some people may see ID as a code word for God, but I don't. God has all sorts of other baggage which simply doesn't interest me or come into this discussion. All I am saying, and it's really quite simple, is that science currently seems to accept the following as "facts" (to the extent that there any such thing as a fact in science, which there acutally ins't but we use the term loosely): 1. At some point there was a big explosion that was at the beginning of our universe. 2. The explosion generated heat of a degree that no living thing as we understand life today could have existed at that moment in time. 3. At some point, living things emerged. 4. At some later point, some of those living things became conscious beings. 5. Over time, those living things changed into the life forms that inhabit the Earth today. 6. Evolution is a theory which explains how some living things changed from their earlier forms to their later forms. However, there are gaps which are as yet unexplained. 7. Evolution does NOT explain how non-living things became living things. We still don't have any accepted theory as to how that happened. I further postulate that the question how that came about -- how the first living thing emerged from nonliving things, is a legitimate inquiry for science. I further postulate that one theory of that is that there was intelligence at some level concerned with the creation of life as we know it from nonliving matter. That intelligence could be something that some people call God. Or it could be something totally different. It could be simply another life force, creating life here as we seek ourselves to create life in test tubes. I don't know. You don't know. But so far, I haven't read of any alternate theory to ID to explain how non-living things turned into living things. Have you?