Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (267283)	1/7/2006 9:40:06 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573850

If you have another purpose in mind when you use the term "necessary" could you please state it. What Tejek is saying is not difficult to understand. Even the current administration understands what is meant by "necessary". They tried to make it a "necessary war" by cherry picking intelligence, presenting and selecting information from people with a vested interest for us to go to war. When the truth came out wrt WMD, the "necessary" case for war ended. Even the administration understands that. With the help of people like you, the administration is trying to redefine "necessary". They don't mind it if people still confuse those that attacked us on 911 and link them to Saddam Hussein and the people of Iraq. They don't mind it if people like you will continue and endlessly try to redefine "necessary". You can confuse things all you want, but there has to be a day when you have to ask: "is what we are spending on this war worth what we are getting from it?." One side will be right and the other side will be (tragically for our country) wrong.

To: TimF who wrote (267283)	1/7/2006 3:42:08 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573850

IMO a war does not have to be necessary for the survival or territorial integrity of a nation, in order for it to not be evil. You might disagree but my position is not unusual or extreme. Interesting observation. Then explain to me why the Iraqi war was necessary for the survival or territorial integrity of this nation? Before answering, read you definition closely to be sure you comply with its wording. If you have another purpose in mind when you use the term "necessary" could you please state it. >and does not look like it will bring freedom and democracy to the people of Iraq. You are assuming the war will be a failure. I do not make this assumption. Even if it did fail it wouldn't make the war evil, although it would make it a mistake, perhaps a quite severe one. The war has been a failure almost from day one. And that's because Mr. Bush et al have a weak understanding of foreign matters and the nature of people. Not surprising, since Mr. Bush had never left his country until he became president. And if part of the intent of the war was to bring peace to Iraq, its an utter failure. The only twofold successes of this war so far has been the toppling of Saddam and that the Iraqi people have been able to vote twice. That can not begin to offset the death and destruction. Iraq now is one of the most dysfunctional and dangerous nations in the world. And if the real goal was to meet your goal above.........the survival or territorial integrity of this nation.........not only is it an utter and complete failure, but we are in far more danger than we ever were before the Iraqi conflict. America has become a symbol of evil to most of the Muslim world........one to be denigrated, attacked and spit upon. And that hate and anger has spilled out to other populations; to whit, see the anger and hate developing in South America. Frankly, I am convinced at this point that Mr. Bush and his cabal are evil. If that is not true, and if they really think that they are doing the right thing.....which I highly doubt.......then they are some of the stupidest people on this planet. And let me tell you something else............the spiritual damage Bush and his cabal have done to this country is incalculable. Everywhere you go on SI or Yahoo threads and boards....no matter what the topic of discussion is supposed to be vicious political fights break out at the drop of a hat. And that reflects what is happening in the general society. I don't think there has been any other time this nation has been become more divided other than since the 1850s and that ended in civil war. We continue to maintain the mask of "one nation, under God" but I wonder for how much longer. This is what Mr. Bush has brought to America and it will be his dubious legacy. One can say that it wouldn't have been possible if the schism wasn't always in place, but then we will never no for sure. One thing that's clear to me now is that once the division has been brought to the surface, it can not easily be put back away. As a significant consequence, I wonder what will become of this country. ted