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To: Lane3 who wrote (8718)	1/11/2006 1:05:21 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541515

When the "enemy" can be almost anyone (in terms of the collection methods you use), and is (possibly) to be found among your own citizens- then those rights do apply. I think most of us remember the Alien and Sedition Acts (reviled for a very good reason)- and we know the founders weren't morons- they understood this could happen. Where the "enemy" is imagined by the government to be in this country, the rights are our protection against the government's "imagination". I think we can see from Mr. Bush's rhetoric just how imaginative he can be.

To: Lane3 who wrote (8718)	1/11/2006 1:43:51 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541515

So as long as they're doing what they're doing to the enemy, which is what they're supposedly doing in this case, they ought to be able to do it. Those enumerated rights are separate matter that for some reason folks seem to want to apply to the enemy. But, in there sweeping interpretation, they are spying on US citizens without oversight. FISA allows that but you have 3 days after the fact to get a court order. After thousands of years where people who rule have absolute power over those they rule, we have finally obtained some protection on paper (or parchment, whatever). You want to give that up, because you have George W. Bush's word that US citizens are not being spied on withhout a court order?