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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cage Rattler who wrote (11332)	1/13/2006 11:00:29 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

That is not clear yet. They are at a point where they have to decided between the two worlds friedman spells out. I suspect they wont get it right with iran but that iran will be the wake up call for them for later. I dont buy russia or china looking for world dominion but they are looking for an equal role to that of the US. That isnt necessarily a bad thing if along with that comes democratization over the next lets say 20-30 years.

To: Cage Rattler who wrote (11332)	1/13/2006 3:16:21 PM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 32591

The USSR (Russia) has never abandoned it's goal of world domination -- nor has the PRC.... Well, that is just your opinion. However, from William Blum's book, "Killing Hope : U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II-Updated Through 2003" you will find evidence galore that it is the US that seeks total world domination, and Noam Chomsky (the author of "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance") is in agreement with Blum's views. As the history of the Cold War has shown, the former USSR and PRC were largely playing defensive roles in response to US machinations of sorts. However, it is also interesting to note that the US has had a love-hate relationship with Russia. Even at a time when the US could have brought the USSR to her knees by stopping wheat shipments and refusing massive loans to her, the US refused to do so, according to Alekzandar Solzhenitzin of Gulag fame. And China was subjected to US nuclear blackmail and all sorts of vilifications until she ended them all by playing her nuke cards in 1968. Contrary to US propaganda, China never seriously threatened anybody: she was merely concerned with keeping Tibet and Taiwan which are historically parts of China. What a turnaround by the US when, in the mid 1970s, she sought detente with China, a country which she had once condemned as the "Yellow Peril" and whose proffered hand of friendship she rudely rejected in the late 1950s. But ever since detente the so-called Peril has been beneficial to the US by enabling the US to reduce domestic inflation and postpone her day of reckoning for her massive financial deficits. (see brillig.com Does all this sound like the PRC has been seeking world domination? If you have studied the history of China with particular reference to the period 1780 - 1911, you would have noticed that foreign powers took advantage of China's military weakness, treated her like sh*t, forced unfair treaties on her and extorted exorbitant and crushing indemnities. And Britain even tried to enslave the Chinese to opium by forcing the opium trade on them. Absolutely unscrupulous! Incredibly greedy! Is it any wonder then that China today should arm herself adequately and be strong in other ways so that the unfortunate history of the past will not be repeated? And somehow you got suckered in by neo-con propaganda that China seeks world domination. For some insights into present day China and more, read the articles (not necessarily in the order presented) at gwynnedyer.com gwynnedyer.com gwynnedyer.com Frankly, I can't and don't see how China is capable of dominating the world. If China ever gets to dominate the world it would probably be in economic power. But if that ever happens, China's domination emerges naturally from the inexorable interplay of market forces and economics. You will do well to recall that the history of mankind is replete with the rise and fall of civilizations, empires and superpowers. Not a single one of them at her pinnacle endured for all time: each one merely rose and declined. In the opinion of not a few people, US power is beginning to decline. That is why the US is concerned about the rising power of China and of her friendship with Iran and why she has been seeking to contain and emasculate China by forming military alliances with countries that encircle China. To be sure, any reasons for any attacks or war on Iran and/or China will ultimately be couched in euphemistic sounding terms like, "The War on Terror".