To: TobagoJack who wrote (3415 ) 1/15/2006 11:40:44 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217870 TJ, it's insensitive to refer to "whale sandwiches" when Japanese are marauding around a whale sanctuary harpooning innocent sentient beings for "research", followed by dinner. Whales have feelings too you know, though your comment is like a tree falling in a forest which nobody hears [in the whale department anyway]. <he forgets that China HKSAR and China PRC are two separate systems/customs areas, and the folks in Beijing certainly has the right to refuse entry to anyone they so select. > Oh really? And can Hong Kong refuse entry to anyone they like from China, such as Hu Jintao, telling him to take a hike if he wants to visit? I didn't think so. I remember fleets of CCP soldiers roaring into Hong Kong at takeover to demonstrate that they have indeed taken over. There are two separate customs areas and a few different economic rules, to some small bureaucractic extent, but one is subservient to the other and it's not Beijing ruled by Hong Kong. <even a New Zealander cannot openly declare that he intends to travel to Beijing and preach the overthrow of the ruling party, and expect to gain entry across the border checkpoint. Does that indicate that New Zealanders are not free? But, then, only Maurice can make such obvious mistakes of basic logic and apparent muddle of common sense. > TJ, you are obviously confused about freedom. Me not being allowed entry to China to spout political rants is different from a Hong Konger not being allowed into China for the same purpose. TJ, people go to live in HK to make money. Then they leave. People need money. We did it = went to live in less desirable places because there was loads of money there. Then, having collected sufficient money, cleared out again. They don't go to Hong Kong for the wild blue yonder, feeling of freedom, yearning to breathe free in the polluted air. It's primarily cash. Thanks for the link heritage.org and I note the skids under New Zealand, sliding from number 2 behind Hong Kong to falling off the bottom of the top 10, tied with Oz/USA [which Americans can't understand; they think the USA is the land of the free and the rest of the world is a crowd of serfs, which we are, but they are too]. Helengrad is dragging us down, but the public voted for that. They should not moan as the place goes down the gurgler, since they voted for it to do so [not that they think they did]. Mqurice