To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (7639 ) 1/16/2006 6:01:26 PM From: seventh_son Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 37496 Well, I have travelled quite a bit in Europe, and my brother was there over Christmas as well and we noted some contrasts to Canada. Both of us found that most of the beggars in Europe are gypsies and their numbers are much smaller than what you encounter in Toronto, Vancouver or Victoria. Often I have been in metro Toronto and felt like I was trapped in the third world, and have been ashamed by the kind of begging that we used to deride New Yorkers about but now are overwhelmed with ourselves. Really, something has to be done to at least deter able-bodied people from living on the streets. While it's true that many on the streets are hopeless drug addicts or those with mental problems, there is a pretty large number that are young people who have simply chosen begging as a career option. I don't think that more money for shelters or more food banks are part of the solution -- we need some sort of broader plan. Actually, I think that there is also part of the progression of street life -- today's aimless youth begging because it is easier than working at McDonald's become tomorrow's hopeless drug addicts, street people, and criminals. Many years ago I travelled across Europe and talked to many backpacking Canadians. They would say "When I get back I'm going to finish my MBA in Toronto" or "When I get back I'm going to work in Calgary"... when they didn't have anything at all in plan it was always "I'm going to Vancouver to hang out". Maybe the NDP government at the time was part of the incentive, in addition to the good weather. Now we find that Vancouver is being overwhelmed with drug addicts and the property crime that has resulted from drug addicts breaking into cars and doing other kinds of theft as a result of their drug addictions. The street people, the drug addicts, the increasing child poverty rates (which is another way of saying single mothers on welfare having more kids)... it is really getting embarrassing to Canadians to have the kind of problems we have... we need to be smarter, more honest about the real issues, and find some sort of broad-based practical plans of action.