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To: Crabbe who wrote (3652)	1/20/2006 4:15:46 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 221237

Jobs go where people like to work. Jobs disappear in places where people don't like to work. Of course there are lots of people willing to work. But only if the 'rights for this rights for that' are in place. That's why jobs moved to China. That's why West European jobs move to Eastern Europe. Jobs used to be concentrated in North America and Europe. Al thos eunder-developed countries didn;t have jobs. They lived off subsistence agriculture as most people in Africa still do. Then they started sending the kids to school. That changed the whole picture.

To: Crabbe who wrote (3652)	1/20/2006 5:15:48 AM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 221237

Crabbe, old chap, don't get carried away by speed alone. Okay we can calculate what is 2 raised to the 863rd power faster than ever, but we still don't have robots that can truly see. Vision is one tough tough problem. Also progress on understanding the context in a sentence is slow. Such really hard problems will be solved by zillions of man hours writing software, not by sheer speed of computers. Meanwhile there will be many decades of need for truck drivers, fast food cooks, what not. So I see it. Seeker of Truth

To: Crabbe who wrote (3652)	1/20/2006 6:26:05 AM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 221237

Crabbe old chap, maybe you should slow down. We can calculate faster than ever the value of 2 raised to the 863rd power but we have not solved the problem of robot vision, or context in sentences. Neither can we give a computer any useful definition of beauty. etc.etc. We won't any time soon have a computer that does house work with its infinity of varied tasks. Servants may become more popular. As goods get cheaper, demand grows. More people take airplane rides. You can't get along without owning a few million transistors. I think your point is basically valid but probably it is a 22nd century problem.

To: Crabbe who wrote (3652)	1/20/2006 5:57:15 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 221237

R, no worries mate. Humans will be like chimps = we'll sit around checking each other for nits, doing manicures, or whatever is nice in the way of laying on of hands. As SoT says, computers won't be doing housework, or all sorts of things, for a very long time. People who aren't symbiotic with It will live like that, those who are will have highly profitable lives and have their 3D grooming requirements done by the others, with a small amount of work leading to a big payoff. That's what's happening right now, with Japanese, Americans, Swiss, Luxembourgois and others enjoying very high incomes and therefore standards of living while the machines churn out the goods. That process has been underway for well over a century now thanks to the industrial revolution. All during that time, and going right back to the Luddites, there was fear than the machines would create unemployment. They don't. People simply do other things. There is any amount of things to be done, such as prancing around on a stage entertaining each other. One bunch of chimps holds a tea party and the others watch. There doesn't seem to be any limit to the amount of work to be done and it's related to the willingness to work rather than sit around snoring under a palm tree. Neither will there be a class war, provided governments don't favour one gang over another and start doling out the goodies and otherwise disrupting the ability to move from class to class. Class revolutions start when the bosses and kings force confiscation and dominance onto the lower classes/masses who are not allowed to escape. People won't revolutionize against their more successful siblings, parents, children, friends. The problem is that some people try to take over and be the big boss - there is an endless supply of them and they are always trying to do it. Democracy keeps them reasonably in check, though not always successfully. But that's nothing different from how it has always been, from when humans were chimpanzees. There is plenty of work for everyone. Even if machines do lots more things. No matter how much cyberspace does, there's more to do. Even if cyberspace leaves home and goes to live on It's own, leaving us to live our way of life like chimps in the jungle were left by humans, that's okay. That's what's happening already. Plenty of people are symbiotic with It and the rest just live like people. Mqurice