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To: Lane3 who wrote (9923)	1/27/2006 9:47:34 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541477

I agree with you that extreme ideas and incivility are not the same thing, and it's problematic to confuse them. There was a nice Wikipedia article which actually described and gave examples of the far left- I think it makes very good reading for anyone confused about what the far left actually is (for example, people who confuse fairly centrist democrats with the far left). en.wikipedia.org

To: Lane3 who wrote (9923)	1/27/2006 9:52:46 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541477

I'm actually a little baffled that any politician mentioned so far can be described even as left-of-centre, still less far left. Expansion of the state, at the expense of private enterprise? A belief that in the long run, the state can plan and manage as well as or better than the private sector? Preference to ownership of industry ('means of production') by the state, on behalf of the people? Expressed desire to raise taxes on unearned wealth? (inherited land and shares, typically). Favouring socialism over capitalism as the predominant ideology? And that's just some social-democrat through to a mild socialist spectrum. Real far-left ideas (excluding the totalitarian or Communist 'left') might include Mandated central economic direction by the state -"national champion" industries as agents of state power Forced nationalisation with minimal compensation State control of all services it provides (i.e., no private education, medicine, security etc). State control of all officially approved media I disagree with all of these, more or less strongly: hence I place myself politically on the centre-right. Any speaker categorising as far left-wing someone who espouses none of the above, and indeed probably stand in active opposition to most of them, basically does not know the meaning of the abuse s/he is mouthing. It's as meaningful, and as undeserving of notice, as the cries of "Fascist!" from a teenager required to be home before midnight.

To: Lane3 who wrote (9923)	1/27/2006 10:21:14 AM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541477

Where would a senator who supports the right to abortion be in your left/right political spectrum? Moderate or center, left or far left?

To: Lane3 who wrote (9923)	1/28/2006 12:27:59 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541477

It's absolutely no wonder we don't understand each other. You are about 180% wrong. It is interesting to me that you could discuss your wrong opinions of me, and my opinions, with someone who has already declared she is of the 'far left' and happy to be there....LOLOL! KLP framed the wings with Falwell and Robertson vs. Dean and Pelosi, etc. Part of the reason for the etcetera only on one side, I think, is the mislocation of the fulcrum. My experience is that on the ideology scale, she is the equivalent of Dean and Pelosi while Falwell and Robertson etc.