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To: Lane3 who wrote (10333)	1/30/2006 10:11:35 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541633

It is not every bit as offensive- at least not to most people. That's why there aren't proseatbelt choice movements, and pro life- after crashes movements. You are pretty much alone in caring about this. Most people accept the fact that certain highway safety regulations on the public highways are acceptable. This is public regulation of a public behavior. The womb is a slightly less public place than the highway- to put it mildly.

To: Lane3 who wrote (10333)	1/30/2006 10:34:34 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541633

I am trying to wrap myself around your definition of privacy and choice. If you want the right to not wear a seat belt or helmet because it is your decision, why can't I choose to have a private telephone conversation without arbitrary, warrantless government intrusion? The government would say in both cases that they are intervening to protect you (and society) from yourself or others. I can't reconcile why one is right and the other wrong.

To: Lane3 who wrote (10333)	1/30/2006 3:26:13 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541633

Perhaps you have to be a libertarian to recognize how offensive it is for people who aren't to co-opt the "choice" banner. It's every bit as hypocritical and offensive as the "life" banner. I've been trying to remind myself how we got into this useless verbal jousting. While my "give me a break" certainly stands, and while I cannot possibly imagine that large categories of people get upset over government regulations to wear seatbelts and the like (in fact, of course, they don't), I wonder how we got here. I think we started with some folk tossing around the "far left" term more than a little freely, as in "those idiots." That led to an attempt to get some clarity on the right/left distinction and the "far element in each. Which led to abortion as an illustration. I'm done. Don't see any future in this conversation. In fact, haven't for some time. My wife and I heard a wonderful Carnegie Hall concert Friday night. The Berlin Philharmonic with Simon Rattle conducting in an all Mozart festival (his 250th birthday) and Alfred Brendel doing the 27th piano concerto. I still hear it. We've decided it's better to spend a bit more on genuinely good entertainment and go to less than a bit less and go to more. Now that's something.