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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (183371)	2/2/2006 8:58:31 AM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 186894

Re: There are plusses and minuses to everything. Precisely my point, but the minuses are never proffered when many here sing the praises of socialist countries.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (183371)	2/2/2006 9:00:27 AM
From: Don Lloyd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Mary, There is no denying that almost all people in the socialist countries in Northern Europe are better off than most people anywhere else. Everyone in these Northern European socialist countries (including residents who are not citizens) have access to medical care. No one in those countries will starve. For those that want to work, they can work as hard as they want. It may be difficult for someone in a Northern European country to amass as much wealth and live as sumptuously as Donald Trump - but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. There is also no denying that the prosperity in socialist countries is entirely dependent on the existence of a global economy from which market prices can emerge. If memory serves, it was Soviet Premier Gorbachov who said (paraphrased) that the triumph of worldwide socialism would have to leave the New Zealand market free in order to produce market prices. Socialism is only possible as a parasitic lifeform, when it keeps from killing its host. Regards, Don

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (183371)	2/2/2006 5:07:37 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

OT As my wife and I get a bit older and actually on occasion use the health care system, the hassles with insurance gatekeepers trying not to pay bills (among other things) is certainly helping me come around to your view. If memory serves me right I think folks in the countries you mention also live longer than here in the USA, and survival rates for newborns are higher. Just don't get caught speeding <ggg>, I remember some Nokia exec going way over the limit some years ago and getting a multi thousand dollar fine - it was all over the news here. Regards, John PS - As for Trump, who wants that gaudy apartment he lives in - and what about that hair? <ggg>